Michael: I don't see anything about ObjectCam on the Cadence web site ? Les Wong --- Baumstark Michael-EMB043 <M.Baumstark@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Dave, Kevin, Shannon: > > Looking at a few of the User-group threads on > panelization, I have seen no reference whatsoever > to the Cadence ObjectCAM tool. It's primary purpose > is to enable panelization and other documentation > typical of post process data outputs. This is a > tool built right into the Allegro engine; although, > there may be a slight up-charge to acquire the > activated feature. An ObjectCAM detailed panel is a > slightly modified .brd file which contains multiple > instances of the individual PCB (pcb.brd file). The > PCBs can be rotated, mirrored if so required for > mixed arrays, and may also contain other pcbx.brd > images. > > I am surprised that Cadence has not provided > information about these tools to Customers that are > inquiring about this capability. Mentor Graphics is > robust on this aspect of CAD design, so that should > create incentive alone. But then again some things > may not be widely supported in order to achieve > higher priority solutions, such as > silicon-package-board robustness along with the > remarkable use of Constraint management and tightly > integrated simulation capabilities. But I bet if you > Ask, it will be shown to you. Perhaps a Cadence A.E. > will be motivated to provide a Webinar specifically > about ObjectCam for all of those needing to > construct panelized arrays in-house. Unfortunately, > for the sake of in-house panelization needs, an > estimated 95%, of the Cadence-CAD users do not > necessarily require in-house panelization, so > perhaps it has not received enough grass-roots > attention as a significa nt priority item. > > We require this capability in some aspects of our > business, so it is an important feature to provide. > ObjectCam has been around at least 18 months now and > from what I understand has been further enhanced > from the first time we have seen a demonstration of > its functionality. We are not active users of > ObjectCAM at this moment so cannot respond first > hand on the specifics of functionality; however, it > is in our best interest to be fully apprised of all > CAD vendor's latest capabilities, as well as the > shortfalls. If more people/companies would do this > in earnest, the bar would continue to be raised for > the CAD vendors performance. Ultimately, the CAD > vendors will be compelled to over-come their > deficiencies in order to hold their market share of > eligible customers or else that market share will be > taken by the vendor that, can and does, deliver what > the customer wants. > > Sincerely yours, > > Michael Baumstark > > Staff PCB Designer - BSEE, CID+ > Motorola - Advanced Product Technology Center > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Seymour > [mailto:dave.seymour@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:56 AM > To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: FW: Re: panelization in > Allegro PSD15.1 > > > An alternative: > > On the fab drawing, have a note that says "Vendor to > panelize as shown > in "Detail X"." Then draw how you would like pcb > panelized. > Showing only the detail necessary for the correct > orientation and overall > panel size, etc.... Don't show the > copper/silkscreen/etc. > > The board outline can be stepped and repeated in a > pattern and changed to > a different layer for manipulation of break away > tabs, external tooling holes > and whatever. > > This gets around the problems of having multiple > routed PCBs in the same database. > > Hope this helps. > > > dave > > > > > Abel, Shannon K. wrote: > > > I have inquired to cadence about this issue. And > have submitted request for them to look at > incorporating this into their software. > > We achieve panelization by exporting a IDF (PTC) > file from allegro for use in PRO/Engineer. After > importing this into Pro/Engineer We add the > necessary webs and tabs etc. It is a fairly easy > process. > > After consulting with the fab house they prefer to > have this information in the odb++ file that we send > them, but unfortunately since allegro doesn't allow > this they create their step and repeat in accordance > with our drawing. We have developed a good > relationship with our fab houses in order to > determine the max panel size / board ratio etc. > > Shannon K. Abel > > PWB Designer/Detailer > > Northrop Grumman / Marine Systems, PCS Division. > > 7301 Sykesville Road > > Sykesville, MD. 21784 > > * 410.552.2818 > > * shannon.abel@xxxxxxx > <mailto:shannon.abel@xxxxxxx> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin McCowan [ SMTP:kmccowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > <mailto:SMTP:kmccowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:25 AM > > To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > <mailto:icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: panelization in Allegro > PSD15.1 > > We just had a query about this last week. > > There are no panelization tools in Allegro (at least > none I > > know of). Normally I, and I think many of us, use > the board house > > to panelize our designs. If you really wish to do > the panelization > > yourself you should get a gerber editor such as > Gerbtool. It > > will have all of the tools necessary to create > whatever panel > > sizes and configurations you need. > > Good luck, > > Kevin McCowan > > Sr PCB Designer > > TSI Telsys > > Kesavan wrote: > > > > /Hi all,/ > > / /Pls support on panelization in Allegro > PSD15.1. How to use > > reuse Module?. Pls help me. > > > > / / > > // > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *T.Kesavan*, > > HCL Peripherals, > > === message truncated === > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream name=Baumstark Michael-EMB043.vcf ----------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe/unsubscribe: Send a message to icu-pcb-forum-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with a subject of subscribe or unsubscribe To view the archives of this list please login at //www.freelists.org. Our list name is icu-pcb-forum or go to //www.freelists.org/archives/icu-pcb-forum/ Problems or Questions: Send an email to icu-pcb-forum-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Want to post a job listing ? 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