[PCB_FORUM] Re: panelization in Allegro PSD15.1
- From: Les Wong <maveric0@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
Michael:
I don't see anything about ObjectCam on
the Cadence web site ?
Les Wong
--- Baumstark Michael-EMB043
<M.Baumstark@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Dave, Kevin, Shannon:
>
> Looking at a few of the User-group threads on
> panelization, I have seen no reference whatsoever
> to the Cadence ObjectCAM tool. It's primary purpose
> is to enable panelization and other documentation
> typical of post process data outputs. This is a
> tool built right into the Allegro engine; although,
> there may be a slight up-charge to acquire the
> activated feature. An ObjectCAM detailed panel is a
> slightly modified .brd file which contains multiple
> instances of the individual PCB (pcb.brd file). The
> PCBs can be rotated, mirrored if so required for
> mixed arrays, and may also contain other pcbx.brd
> images.
>
> I am surprised that Cadence has not provided
> information about these tools to Customers that are
> inquiring about this capability. Mentor Graphics is
> robust on this aspect of CAD design, so that should
> create incentive alone. But then again some things
> may not be widely supported in order to achieve
> higher priority solutions, such as
> silicon-package-board robustness along with the
> remarkable use of Constraint management and tightly
> integrated simulation capabilities. But I bet if you
> Ask, it will be shown to you. Perhaps a Cadence A.E.
> will be motivated to provide a Webinar specifically
> about ObjectCam for all of those needing to
> construct panelized arrays in-house. Unfortunately,
> for the sake of in-house panelization needs, an
> estimated 95%, of the Cadence-CAD users do not
> necessarily require in-house panelization, so
> perhaps it has not received enough grass-roots
> attention as a significa
nt priority item.
>
> We require this capability in some aspects of our
> business, so it is an important feature to provide.
> ObjectCam has been around at least 18 months now and
> from what I understand has been further enhanced
> from the first time we have seen a demonstration of
> its functionality. We are not active users of
> ObjectCAM at this moment so cannot respond first
> hand on the specifics of functionality; however, it
> is in our best interest to be fully apprised of all
> CAD vendor's latest capabilities, as well as the
> shortfalls. If more people/companies would do this
> in earnest, the bar would continue to be raised for
> the CAD vendors performance. Ultimately, the CAD
> vendors will be compelled to over-come their
> deficiencies in order to hold their market share of
> eligible customers or else that market share will be
> taken by the vendor that, can and does, deliver what
> the customer wants.
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Michael Baumstark
>
> Staff PCB Designer - BSEE, CID+
> Motorola - Advanced Product Technology Center
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Seymour
> [mailto:dave.seymour@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:56 AM
> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: FW: Re: panelization in
> Allegro PSD15.1
>
>
> An alternative:
>
> On the fab drawing, have a note that says "Vendor to
> panelize as shown
> in "Detail X"." Then draw how you would like pcb
> panelized.
> Showing only the detail necessary for the correct
> orientation and overall
> panel size, etc.... Don't show the
> copper/silkscreen/etc.
>
> The board outline can be stepped and repeated in a
> pattern and changed to
> a different layer for manipulation of break away
> tabs, external tooling holes
> and whatever.
>
> This gets around the problems of having multiple
> routed PCBs in the same database.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> dave
>
>
>
>
> Abel, Shannon K. wrote:
>
>
> I have inquired to cadence about this issue. And
> have submitted request for them to look at
> incorporating this into their software.
>
> We achieve panelization by exporting a IDF (PTC)
> file from allegro for use in PRO/Engineer. After
> importing this into Pro/Engineer We add the
> necessary webs and tabs etc. It is a fairly easy
> process.
>
> After consulting with the fab house they prefer to
> have this information in the odb++ file that we send
> them, but unfortunately since allegro doesn't allow
> this they create their step and repeat in accordance
> with our drawing. We have developed a good
> relationship with our fab houses in order to
> determine the max panel size / board ratio etc.
>
> Shannon K. Abel
>
> PWB Designer/Detailer
>
> Northrop Grumman / Marine Systems, PCS Division.
>
> 7301 Sykesville Road
>
> Sykesville, MD. 21784
>
> * 410.552.2818
>
> * shannon.abel@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:shannon.abel@xxxxxxx>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Kevin McCowan [ SMTP:kmccowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:SMTP:kmccowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:25 AM
>
> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: panelization in Allegro
> PSD15.1
>
> We just had a query about this last week.
>
> There are no panelization tools in Allegro (at least
> none I
>
> know of). Normally I, and I think many of us, use
> the board house
>
> to panelize our designs. If you really wish to do
> the panelization
>
> yourself you should get a gerber editor such as
> Gerbtool. It
>
> will have all of the tools necessary to create
> whatever panel
>
> sizes and configurations you need.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Kevin McCowan
>
> Sr PCB Designer
>
> TSI Telsys
>
> Kesavan wrote:
>
>
>
> /Hi all,/
>
> / /Pls support on panelization in Allegro
> PSD15.1. How to use
>
> reuse Module?. Pls help me.
>
>
>
> / /
>
> //
>
>
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>
> *T.Kesavan*,
>
> HCL Peripherals,
>
>
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