I believe I have figured out the problem. These symbols were dumped from a .brd file. When I remove all the internal layers from the cross-section then I can do a refresh and get them all. The display element still says 'derived from' but the padstacks actually refreshed. Dharma -----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dharma Kemp-Bresett Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:29 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] 15.2 'derived from' padstack issue Hi All, I am in 15.2 and am trying to update and refresh padstacks in some symbols we received from a customer but have run into a snag. I cannot replace or refresh all padstacks in a symbol at once, even if they are all the same, if there is a derived from note( I say note as it does not appear in the properties but does on the display element for the pin)on them. Example: I have a connector with 40 pins all the same padstack except that all pins except 1 and 40 say derived from. If I do a refresh, replace or update to design only the non-derived pads appear to update. I have also tried doing an edit both with and without the "include derived padstacks box" clicked. Nothing seems to work. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Dharma KAW/USA Ltd. 39 Simon Street, #4 Nashua, NH 03060 603-886-8711 x212 603-881-8763 fax