your last bit indicates my reason for the ICon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "lou smith" <lousmith07@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Icon vs. Braille Plus As someone who makes recommendations for assistive technology, I've found this discussion interesting as it mirrors my own thought process and experiences as a user and an evaluator. I had a consumer come through who was not a good braille user, but knew how to generate characters through the keypad. He started writing slowly, but his speed increased tremendously as we went further along. If you think you want to use this type of input, I'd probably steer you away from the braille plus and toward the icon, as the keypad is larger. If, like Chase, Andy, and myself, you're a strong braille user with a preference toward that modality, the Braille Plus is the way to go. One of the beauties of this "family" of products is the abundance of options available to manipulate the machines in terms of keyboard inputs. I'm going to see a "little person" next month who I understand is a good braille user and learns technology well. She may be a good candidate for the bp. If I write on the bp for a long period of time, like this particular message, my hands get sore and cramped, as I have rather large hands. Lou On Thu, 29 May 2008 15:53:29 -0400, Andy wrote: >Yes Chase, if you had to do a reboot, fix your date lol, it says >something 1969. >Getting back on topic now: > >Yes. I have a braille plus and I agree with all of chase's points. I >have a braille note >now and a braille plus, but before that I had a braille n speak. And >I'm glad all the commands from >that thing work on this too. Also, I'm a braille writer and reader, so >this is better. The braille >plus can also do thumb braille, and also texting, so you have the best >of 3 worlds, texting, thumb braille >and real keyboard (the braille one), plus the option to plug in an >extra one. > >The real difference between the machines is the braille plus offers the >braille input, texting input, and >thumb braille; the Icon only offers texting and thumb braille. > >On Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:05:11 -0600, Chase Crispin wrote: > > >>I much prefer braille, and can text, but feel it more difficult. Also, >>I used to use use a Braille >>'n speak, and still use those commands, and I like how I could still >>use my previous knowledge. >>On Thu, 29 May 2008 12:08:59 -0400, David Poehlman wrote: >> >> >>>why? >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Chase Crispin" <chase.crispin@xxxxxxxxx> >>>To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:03 AM >>>Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Icon vs. Braille Plus >>> >>> >>>I like the Braille Plus. >>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 06:44:27 -0700, Linda Gehres wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I did not know about the Icon when I chose the Braille Plus, but since >>>>I've >>>>been a life long braille user, and the Braille Plus has a braille >>>>keyboard >>>>and >>>>the Icon does not, I know I made the choice that works best for me. >>>>Linda >>>>G. >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Turner To: >>>>icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:08 AM >>>>Subject: >>>>[icon-discuss] Re: Icon vs. Braille Plus >>>>The Braille Plus because I don't need an external keyboard to write >>>>on >>>>it. >>> >>>>From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>[mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert >>>>Sent: >>>>Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:51 PM To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>Subject: >>>>[icon-discuss] Icon vs. Braille Plus >>> >>>>I know I've brought this topic up before, so I apologize for >>>>bringing it >>>>up >>>>again, but this is actually a different question. The question this >>>>time >>>>is >>>>this: For those of you who have literally sat down and spent time >>>>with >>>>both >>>>devices, what was your choice of device and why? >>>>Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the im Initiative from >>>>Microsoft. >>> >>>>No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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