[ibis-macro] Re: A question about Range
- From: "Walter Katz" <wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <Arpad_Muranyi@xxxxxxxxxx>, "'IBIS-ATM'" <ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 12:54:30 -0400 (EDT)
Arpad,
I used the words Value and Entry very carefully. In the case of
Rx_Receiver_Sensitivity an Entry consist of one Value. In the case of
Gaussian an Entry consist of two numbers. In the case of Table an Entry
consists of Number_of_Rows*Number_of_Columns Values.
Walter
From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:39 PM
To: IBIS-ATM
Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: A question about Range
So if Set = the whole table, and
"set contains one entry", then the table
contains one entry, correct? This means
we have a one value Table. What good is
that, and how is it different from Value?
Arpad
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From: Walter Katz [mailto:wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 10:53 AM
To: Muranyi, Arpad; 'IBIS-ATM'
Subject: RE: [ibis-macro] Re: A question about Range
Arpad,
What I mean by "set" is the space of allowed values for a parameter. "set
contains one entry" means that there is only one element in the set. The
set of a Table is the whole Table.
Walter
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Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:39 AM
To: IBIS-ATM
Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: A question about Range
Bob, Walter,
This "set contains one entry" confuses the heck out of me.
What is one entry in a Table? Also what are you referring
to by "set"? The values which are in the .ami file, or
the values sent to or returned by the DLL?
Please clarify.
Thanks,
Arpad
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From: Bob Ross [mailto:bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:41 AM
To: wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx; Muranyi, Arpad; 'IBIS-ATM'
Cc: bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ibis-macro] Re: A question about Range
All:
Based on Section 6c, List is defined as (List <typ value> <value1>
<value2> .)
When you state that the set contains one entry, the complete set is
entered
into the AMI_parameter_in or AMI_parameter_out string for Table. I
believe
the same applies for Gaussian, DjRj and DualDirac.
Bob
From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Walter Katz
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:48 AM
To: wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx; Arpad_Muranyi@xxxxxxxxxx; 'IBIS-ATM'
Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: A question about Range
All,
I left out List in the below table, now included:
(Value <value>) Set contains one entry
<value>.
(List <value 1> <value 2> ..) Set contains the <values> in the
list.
(Corner <typ> <slow> <fast>) The User selects the process corner
(typ,slow_weak,fast_strong) for this Model. Based on this choice
The EDA Tool selects the corresponding <typ> <slow> <fast> value.
(Range <typ> <min> <max>) All values between <min> and <max>
(inclusive) are permitted.
(Type Integer) Limited to integer values between <min> and <max>
(inclusive).
(Type Tap|Float|UI) All real values between <min> and <max> (inclusive).
(Increment <typ> <min> <max> <delta>) typ+N*delta where N is any
positive or negative integer
value such that: min <= typ + N*delta <= max
(Steps <typ> <min> <max> <# steps>) Treat exactly like Increment with
<delta> == (<max>-<min>)/<# steps>
(Table .) Set
contains one entry .
(Gaussian <mean> <sigma>) Set contains one entry
<mean> <sigma)
(DjRn <minDj> <maxDj> <sigma>) Set contains one entry <minDj>
<maxDj> <sigma>
(Dual-Dirac <mean> <mean> <sigma>)) Set contains one entry <mean>
<mean> <sigma>
Walter
From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Walter Katz
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:25 AM
To: Arpad_Muranyi@xxxxxxxxxx; 'IBIS-ATM'
Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: A question about Range
Arpad,
Each of the Formats used by Info, In and InOut parameters define a set of
allowed values that a User may select to configure a Model or Simulation.
I think it would be useful to define this set of allowed values for each
Format. For example:
(Value <value>) Set contains one entry
<value>.
(Corner <typ> <slow> <fast>) The User selects the process corner
(typ,slow_weak,fast_strong) for this Model. Based on this choice
The EDA Tool selects the corresponding <typ> <slow> <fast> value.
(Range <typ> <min> <max>) All values between <min> and <max>
(inclusive) are permitted.
(Type Integer) Limited to integer values between <min> and <max>
(inclusive).
(Type Tap|Float|UI) All real values between <min> and <max> (inclusive).
(Increment <typ> <min> <max> <delta>) typ+N*delta where N is any
positive or negative integer
value such that: min <= typ + N*delta <= max
(Steps <typ> <min> <max> <# steps>) Treat exactly like Increment with
<delta> == (<max>-<min>)/<# steps>
(Table .) Set
contains one entry .
(Gaussian <mean> <sigma>) Set contains one entry
<mean> <sigma)
(DjRn <minDj> <maxDj> <sigma>) Set contains one entry <minDj>
<maxDj> <sigma>
(Dual-Dirac <mean> <mean> <sigma>)) Set contains one entry <mean>
<mean> <sigma>
Walter
From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:46 AM
To: IBIS-ATM
Subject: [ibis-macro] A question about Range
Hello everyone:
I am working on updating the BIRD drafts we discussed in the
last ATM teleconference.
In the discussion about Corner today I asked the question on
what was the difference between Range and Corner. The answer
was that Range is a continuous value between min and max that
is selected by the user, usually in a GUI dialog.
I searched the current specification for "range" and I can't
find anything that describes this. Could anyone give me a
page number where I could read about this?
If this is not mentioned in the specification, we should
probably include this topic in one of our BIRDs as well.
Thanks,
Arpad
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