[HUG ] SV: [HUG ] Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: Råö - still for sale
- From: Tom Just Olsen <tjols@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 00:09:45 +0200 (MEST)
Ronald,
Sure, there were many areas that were 'off limits' to me as a Norwegian in
Sweden during the Cold War. Particularly up in the north of Sweden. Even
along what today is the 'E4' motorway foreigners were not allowed to go out of
the car. But I can not remember such restrictions along the Swedish west
coast. - Which is a very beautiful part of the world. Particularly now,
juring the summer.
Regaring dialicts. It struck me that the people at Smögen spoke 'almost
Norwegian', - like they do in Østfold, but with a Swedish gramatics. While
farther south, around Malmö they speak almost Danish - with a Swedish gramar, a
different thing.
Quite naturally, though, since these parts of Sweden has been parts of Danmark
and Norway once. History, you know.
Do you know who'Lasse i Gatan' was? Or Tordenskiold?
Tom of Oslo (the capitol of language freaks)
> From: ronald.arvidsson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 2011-07-05 13:20:23 CEST
> To: hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [HUG ] Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: Råö - still for sale
>
> Hi,
>
> Thats right that Dalsland was Swedish only from 1645. Howeever, the
> differences in the languages, especially along the border regions were
> not very large, still are not (just quoting a linguist I met in Bergen -
> our languages are just dialects...). What I meant with historians is
> exactly that, many names are of such an age that the language have
> changed over time. Even so doe could of course be the explanation.
>
> It could be that my view of the so called protected areas is a little
> bit overexaggerated - there were at least on the east coast many islands
> that were off limit to foreigners (don't know if a Norwegian would have
> qualified as a foreigner :) - I know of May 17 and endorse of course an
> independent Norway.
>
> It must have been some very nice sailing trips you made - I'm envious
> :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ronald
>
> On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 11:15:13 +0200 (MEST), Tom Just Olsen
> <tjols@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Ronald,
> >
> > Thanks for the clearification. Don't forget that this area has been
> > Danish for 700 years and Swedish 'only' for 300 years, and that the
> > meaning of 'rå' can be Danish. - Although, I think that it is
> > 'rådyr', that is the right source.
> >
> > Chalmers Tekniska Högskola og Forsvarets Materialverk experimented
> > with long wave commmunications with submerged submarines in the late
> > 40' - beginning of the 50' somewhere down the Swedish West Coast.
> > This research was ultra secret, but I don't know where it was
> > conducted.
> >
> > From the late 60' and onwards I sailed with a small Folkbåt up and
> > down the Swedish and Norwegian coastline, down to Smögen and Lysekil.
> > I can't rembember being ever 'restricted' in any way. I was close to
> > getting married in Smögen, bu the way.
> >
> > Tom (of Smögen!)
> >
> >> From: ronald.arvidsson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Sent: 2011-07-04 12:12:12 MEST
> >> To: hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [HUG ] Re: SV: Re: Råö - still for sale
> >>
> >> OK,
> >>
> >> You are quite close to the meaning just want to add something here
> >> rå - could be a doe - likely
> >> - raw is also possible - it depends on how and from when the
> >> name
> >> comes
> >> - could also be attributed to a humid chilly place.
> >>
> >> Sometimes these names are known by local historians sometimes the
> >> original meaning has been lost in the fog of time..
> >>
> >> Its however NOT a goat.
> >>
> >> Cell phones are not allowed to the space observatory with a number
> >> of
> >> sofisticated antennas for space and earth observations. These
> >> instruments are so sensitive that a single cell phone inside the
> >> area
> >> can destroy measurements that takes place over days or even weeks.
> >> It's
> >> not military. The observatory is run by Chalmers technical
> >> University of
> >> Gothenburg. During the cold war though large parts of the Swedish
> >> coastline was off limits to foreigners but this is not coupled to
> >> todays
> >> Onsala Space Observatiry.
> >>
> >> Wbr,
> >>
> >> From Sweden,
> >>
> >> Ronald
> >>
> >> On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 22:23:33 +0200 (MEST), Tom Just Olsen
> >> <tjols@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > Q.G.
> >> >
> >> > My Swedish is not perfect, but to me it sounds more like a 'rå'
> >> which
> >> > can also be the male variant of this animal:
> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_Deer - which is very common in
> >> > Sweden. Which is the most likely explanation. It could also be a
> >> > goat.
> >> >
> >> > You have no access with cell phones on the property. Due to that
> >> > there is a military listening post right by. A joke? No!
> >> >
> >> > Tom (the city of protruding spy antennas)
> >> >
> >> > PS. It is a very beautiful part of Sweden. Particularly this
> >> time
> >> > of the year. Your banker will be impressed...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> From: Q.G. de Bakker [qnu@xxxxxxxxxx]
> >> >> Sent: 2011-07-03 21:35:42 MEST
> >> >> To: hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Subject: [HUG ] Re: [HUG ] Råö - still for sale
> >> >>
> >> >> Certainly looks like a nice place.
> >> >> But i seem to have mislayed those many millions of Euros i didn't
> >> >> know what
> >> >> to do with.
> >> >> Now when and where did i last see them again...? Hm...
> >> >>
> >> >> By the way, i always thought of Råö being a 'rå' 'ö', i.e. a
> >> 'raw'
> >> >> or rough
> >> >> 'island' (even though it isn't an island).
> >> >> Not so?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Tom Just Olsen" <tjols@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:15 PM
> >> >> Subject: [HUG ] Råö - still for sale
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Gentlemen,
> >> >>
> >> >> Råö (a bit difficult to translate, but something in the line of
> >> Goat
> >> >> Island), the ex. summer property of Victor Hasselblad is still
> >> for
> >> >> sale.
> >> >> The price is reduced 50%. It was also the resident of Peer
> >> >> Gyllenhammar,
> >> >> the legendary CEO of Volvo. As the add sayes, it is designed for
> >> >> 'socializing on a grand scale'. A bit over the top for
> >> the-in-laws.
> >> >> Sadly.
> >> >>
> >> >> Check your credit lines, gentlemen, before it is too late.
> >> >>
> >> >> Tom of Oslo (the city of 'over the top' porperty prices)
> >> >>
> >> >> Link here:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/abroad/homes/object?finnkode=28440534&sid=sid/2011/7/3/21/xz0761309719672173y
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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