So again I'm trying to hammer out an antenna. My magnetic loop works OK for RX. I've not made any contacts with it yet because I've not tried very much. If you're hesitant to build a mag loop like mine because you can't figure out the capacitor problem, then check these out: http://www.comportco.com/~w5alt/antennas/index.php?pg=3 http://www.comportco.com/~w5alt/antennas/index.php?pg=4 http://www.swharden.com/blog/2010-02-07-simple-diy-stealth-apartment-antenna-for-20m-and-40m/ http://www.southgatearc.org/articles/g0ftd/indoorantenna.htm All of these are for about 10-20 watts operation indoors. I'm going to give one of these a shot tonight. Maybe I can convince someone to try a contact tomorrow after the net. Ed