[gps-talkusers] Re: Maps Sendero supports
- From: Joleen <cjferg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:04:39 -0800
Hi Charles,
You may remember that Craig Phillips helped me to document the
city-wide problem with Tele Atlas in my community. There was
some dialog with Tele Atlas and they were going to send someone
here to resolve the issues. Then things went silent. Have you
heard more? When might I expect to have reliable maps for my
area?
As I understand it, these are not Sendero issues. They are Tele
Atlas issues. This would mean that anyone, sighted or blind who
uses their maps would have the same errors. For this reason,
they have to be glad when we bring issues to their attention.
That is the only way they can fix things for all who use their
products. Admittedly, there are some areas that will be
addressed first if they have more clients there, but we are all
important and the matters we bring to light serve all of us.
Just my take on it. Thanks for any and all help or input in
advance.
Joleen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <drum67-72@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:51:22 -0500
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Maps Sendero supports
Charles,
I think you folks at Sendero might have more impact than all of
us addressing
TeleAtlas separately. You may recall, I had similar issues
around the Lansing,
Michigan area where they list some subdivision names as if they
were political
entities which they are not. It makes a city search
exasperatingly difficult
because one never knows where a street is going to be located if
it is outside
the city proper. Sometimes, it will properly locate the street
in the township,
which could be expected (although the postal service will use the
city as an
acceptable address); other times, it locates that street in some
jplace it has
come up with that is not a politically recognized entity, in
which case, the
process gets confusing and frustrating.
I know this happens all over the contry based on other inquiries
on this list
i.e. Cool, California; that place somebody was looking for
outside of
Philadelphia, etc. I know that even collectively, we aren't the
biggest voice
in Teleatlas's world, but it would sure help if they could
implement a better
city search feature. Failing that, even the ability to input via
zip code would
be a big plus since it would resolve those issues where one knows
where the
street is, but the area name that TeleAtlas assigns it is
unknowable until you
actually stumble upon the street.
Steve
Lansing, Mi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Maps Sendero supports
Hello Charles. Thank you for this informative message. In beta
testing
GW Sense Navigation we have noticed several discrepancies which
we
realize are due to map data. The funny thing is that in some
areas, the
information is helpful, rather than not. I'll give an example.
My mother's house is in Denver CO yet she is reported to be in
Welby CO.
Welby CO is not even a city for starters, I would have guessed
Commerce
City or Thornton, but not Welby. So, I had to place my virtual
position
to a location near, virtual explore to her address and check the
city
and that is how I found out. Another problem is in Centennial CO.
The
map reports this as South Glenn area. South Glenn is not a city,
nor has
it ever been AFAIK. Here is where it's helped now. In
Indianapolis
Indiana there are some areas which are still part of the city,
but might
be part of a subareas. The map information here says both the
subareas
as well as the city in the same field. So, if I search for
places,
addresses, ETC in Indianapolis, I can usually find them and not
have to
worry about the area or what it thinks the city is.
I've made reports to tel atlas of course so I do hope this can be
addressed, no pun intended.
Charles LaPierre wrote:
Hello currently Sendero only has maps from TeleAtlas for most
countries
except Australia where we get the maps from Humanware and NavTec
as
TeleAtlas doesn't have maps yet for that country.
Yes it would be cost prohibitive to offer both TeleAtlas and
NavTec maps
since there is not only a per map royalty fee that Sendero has
to pay
but also an annual fee which is quite expensive just to have the
right
to use their maps.
TeleAtlas is moving from separate map formats between their UK
map
database and their North American map database, and the GPS 4.0,
2007.1
maps you all currently have is their first offering of this new
merged
data format. It had some problems which they are correcting,
and should
be addressed with their 2008 maps next year. We have brought to
their
attention a number of discrepancies and you may also want to do
the same
for your local maps if they are in error.
I am sure the data will get better, we just need to be patient.
I can
only imagine larger companies which use the TeleAtlas maps are
also
crying bloody murder over the apparent step backwards in data
accuracy,
but TeleAtlas has assured us they are working to correct the
issues and
most of the issues we have brought to their attention have
already been
addressed.
Thank you
Charles.
At 11:06 AM 12/2/2007, you wrote:
Hello Charles.
Am I right to assume that it would be cost-prohibitive for
Sendero to
offer Navtec as a map choice for the U.S.? Here in Kalamazoo,
MI, it
seems that the Teleatlas maps are quite a bit off (we're talking
several blocks) in several locations, and this is one of the
main
reasons that I haven't been able to justify purchasing Sendero
GPS
yet, unfortunately.
Thanks.
J.J.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles LaPierre"
<charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:56 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Maps Sendero supports
Hello Yusuf,
TeleAtlas does not yet support these countries. Even if they
did
then we would have to get a filter to convert their proprietary
GDF
map format into deCartas Richmap format. Those filters will
only be
created 1. once a the map exists and 2. once commercial demand
for
those countries merit deCarta spending the 6+ months development
time
to create the filter, and then Sendero is last on the list to
then
convert the deCarta's Maps into our own.
So as you can see this is a very long and drawn out process
driven by
commercial demand, we are a drop in the bucket so until it
becomes
popular outside the blindness market will we see these maps for
our
market.
As far as sharing maps between devices this is not possible or
legal.
Maps are purchased for a specific device as outlined in the
licensing
agreement between the map companies (ie. teleAtlas or Navtec)
and the
third party venders.
Charles.
At 01:37 AM 12/2/2007, you wrote:
Charles, I don't know if this would be feasible but... Would it
be
possible to design some software that would be able to import
maps
to any GPS device no matter which product the maps were
originally
designed?
Looking at your list of supported countries I noticed that there
weren't any maps for large countries like India, South Africa,
China
or Turkey, I'm presuming this is because the maps Sendero use
aren't
available for those places. But, does that mean that there
aren't
any maps made by anyone for those places?
So I'm wondering if it would be possible to write software that
would enable Sindero to import particular maps from different
companies for specific users.
Of course the benefit of this would be that what Sindero could
do
everybody else could do as well. I'm thinking of the Trekker
here as
thats the product I use.
Maybe the expense of purchasing a licence to reproduce 1 map
would
be prohibitive and I guess it would be quite challenging to do
the
conversions from 1 map type to another as I'm sure all the map
providers use different ways of storing their information.
Yusuf
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles LaPierre"
<charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 4:19 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Maps Sendero supports
Nothing yet for Mexico either.
Here is a list of all the countries we currently support.
USA
Canada
UK / Ireland
Australia
Germany
France
Belgium
Switzerland
Netherlands
Sweden
Denmark
Spain
Austria
Italy
Poland
Norway
Singapore / Malaysia / Hong Kong
Thank you
Charles
At 07:12 PM 12/1/2007, you wrote:
What about Mexico?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles LaPierre"
<charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: updated User POIs
Sorry currently there are no maps for Israel.
Charles.
At 05:04 PM 12/1/2007, you wrote:
Hi,
Do maps exist for Israel?
Thanks,
shayna
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael May"
<MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: "GPS-talkusers-freelists.org" <GPS-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:17 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] updated User POIs
We have uploaded the latest User POI files. Go to
http://www.MySendero.com for instructions and the free download.
The 400extras zip file includes Asia and Africa cities. I also
moved the New Zealand file into that zip file.
The 400user zip has some new US and Canada POIs including over
10,000 user generated points in the US alone. There are some
quarter million including transit stops in some cities and
audio ATM locations from 4 banks.
Mike
Michael G. May
CEO Sendero Group
Developers and distributors of the Cadillac of accessible GPS
products as well as distributing BrailleNote, VoiceNote, Victor
Stream, Talks, Miniguide and the ID Mate
Crashing Through by Robert Kurson available at
http://www.CrashingThrough.com
MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.SenderoGroup.com
1-888-757-6810, Fax (530) 757-6830, Mobile (530) 304-0007
Sendero Group, LLC
1118 Maple Lane, Davis, CA 95616-1723, USA
Charles M. La Pierre CTO
Sendero Group, LLC
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