[gps-talkusers] Garmin voice products: Re: Preview of Sendero GPS LookAround 1.1
- From: "Michael May" <mikemay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 22:11:52 -0700
The Garmin
The higher end Garmin and Magellan products do indeed announce the street
names. Their turn-by-turn navigation is pretty good. We have a Nuvi 1490T.
It has a 5 inch screen which is pretty good for someone with low vision.
None of the menus talk however. It is touch screen.
There are voice control units so you can set he address and even ask for
points of interest. You cannot however operate them 100% without sighted
assistance. They show a list of coffee shops on the screen and you have to
be able to see which one to pick as your destination.
Our Prius voice control GPS is really good. I like the way they do their
prompting.
Mike
> multiple GPS as they use different maps, which is why Skobbler is
> great as it is free and uses OpenStreetMap, which none of these use.
> TomTom does own TeleAtlas and Nokia does own NavTeq.
> Do recommend Navigon over TomTom.
> Kevin
> http://twitter.com/kevinchao89
> On 10/12/10, Mike Arrigo <n0oxy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> What can you do in the tom tom app? Can you at least enter a destination?
>> I
>> may purchase it if that can be done. Kapten GPS is very accessible also,
>> but
>> I don't think the voice guidance is as good. The Magellan app isn't even
>> compatible with IOS 4 yet. I'm actually surprised Garmin has not
>> developed
>> an iphone app. The one advantage to having a few different apps is that
>> it
>> can be good to have an app from each map provider. Navigon uses the
>> navteq
>> maps, and I think the kapten GPS does too. Tom tom uses teleatlas.
>> Actually
>> Tom Tom owns teleatlas now I think, and Nokia owns navteq.
>> On Oct 12, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>
>>> TomTom is somewhat accessible. navigon is by far the best in that it
>>> gives you intersection information, spoken street names etc. Skobbler
>>> doesn't have spoken street names, intersection information, but is
>>> free and gives directions. AroundMe or Where are great for searching
>>> for POIs based on categories, names etc. Where has benefit of social
>>> aspect, which also uses crowd source to get reviews, check ins,
>>> ratings, gas prices etc.
>>> Great thing with these various companies is they are very receptive to
>>> feedback, especially Navigon, TomTom and Skobbler, all whom I have
>>> provided feedback.
>>> Kevin
>>> http://twitter.com/kevinchao89
>>>
>>> On 10/12/10, Mike Arrigo <n0oxy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> I can type decently on my iphone, but I am faster on a keypad, no doubt
>>>> about that. I actually got an unlocked iphone and I use it with
>>>> t-mobile.
>>>> Apple knows how to put out some unique products, but I have no idea
>>>> what
>>>> they were thinking when they got in to this exclusive at&t deal, I
>>>> mean,
>>>> if
>>>> a carrier is going to subsidize a phone, that's fine, but to refuse to
>>>> sell
>>>> the phone unlocked in this country makes no sense whatsoever.
>>>> Fortunately,
>>>> they are available unlocked via import. I've been testing some GPS
>>>> apps,
>>>> so
>>>> far, the best one seems to be the navigon app. The kapten GPS app is
>>>> also
>>>> good. I'm pretty sure that a combination of the sendero look around app
>>>> and
>>>> the navigon app will give me the features I use with mobile geo on my
>>>> windows mobile phone. Of course, you can't virtually explore the map
>>>> with
>>>> this combination, but I never use that anyway. Another accessible app
>>>> is
>>>> called motion GPS drive, it's accessible, but the voice directions
>>>> don't
>>>> say
>>>> the street names. There'
>>>> s another one called copilot, but it's completely inaccessible with
>>>> voiceover. I've also heard that the tomtom and magellan apps are also
>>>> inaccessible, does ayone know if this is true?
>>>> On Oct 11, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Michael May wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is a very relevant topic for everyone.
>>>>> The writing aspect of the iPhone is its weakest link. Every piece of
>>>>> technology has its trade offs and this is the issue with the iPhone.
>>>>> Like all trade offs, there are some work arounds. You will get better
>>>>> at
>>>>> writing with practice, not without some frustration. How good you get
>>>>> really depends. Some people are quite fast with the touch screen
>>>>> keyboard.
>>>>> Others hate it. I personally fall somewhere in between. I am still way
>>>>> faster texting on a keypad on the N86 than I am writing a text message
>>>>> on
>>>>> the iPhone. Forget about writing any long emails.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can also acquire an external wireless keyboard to use for writing.
>>>>> You
>>>>> can also interface with the Apex and other Braille devices. I find
>>>>> this
>>>>> the most exciting combination. It is very cool to be able to read
>>>>> everything that the iPhone speaks on the Apex Braille display and then
>>>>> to
>>>>> be able to respond to emails using the Apex keyboard.
>>>>>
>>>>> I consider the iPhone my media center and my N86 my phone for calls
>>>>> and
>>>>> text messages. It is kind of expensive to have two phone lines so I
>>>>> will
>>>>> eventually bite the bullet and probably use the iPhone. Just don't
>>>>> expect
>>>>> prompt text messages from me if you write.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of GianniP46
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Preview of Sendero GPS LookAround 1.1
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>> I know this is off topic, but can someone who is using the IPhone
>>>>> email
>>>>> me
>>>>> off list?. I am contemplating getting one, but I am nervous about the
>>>>> touch screen interface. Is texting and dialing really that efficient
>>>>> with
>>>>> out buttons? Or am I better off with a nokia n82 or E 73?
>>>>> My email address is
>>>>> giannip46@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Michael May
>>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:40 PM
>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Preview of Sendero GPS LookAround 1.1
>>>>>
>>>>> We sent this updated version to Apple today. I hope it is posted
>>>>> within
>>>>> 3
>>>>> or
>>>>> 4 days. Not sure if the weekend impacts these things.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you will soon see, we fixed the bugs having to do with the saving
>>>>> of
>>>>> settings and the country selection.
>>>>> We added the ability to select a POI category and to dial the POI
>>>>> phone
>>>>> number.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will have another round of small improvements after this version
>>>>> gets
>>>>> the
>>>>> real world test.
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Sendero GPS LookAround, Version 1.1 Documentation
>>>>>
>>>>> Sendero GPS LookAround for the iPhone is available in the app store.
>>>>> It
>>>>> works with the iPhone 3GS and higher. It will not function with the
>>>>> iPod.
>>>>> No
>>>>> telephone support is available from Sendero Group. There is no
>>>>> turn-by-turn
>>>>> navigation information in Sendero LookAround for the iPhone. There are
>>>>> 5
>>>>> applications powered by Sendero GPS on other platforms, which have
>>>>> comprehensive navigation features. For information on these products,
>>>>> visit
>>>>> http://www.AccessibleGPS.com
>>>>>
>>>>> To use Sendero GPS LookAround:
>>>>>
>>>>> Touch the Sendero GPS icon to launch the application. You will be
>>>>> presented
>>>>> with a disclaimer. Touch the OK Button to accept the disclaimer. Also,
>>>>> touch
>>>>> the OK Button when asked if it is ok to use your current location. If
>>>>> there
>>>>> is compass interference, you may find that touching the OK button does
>>>>> not
>>>>> work at first. Read the screen to see if there is an error message.
>>>>> Wave
>>>>> the
>>>>> phone in a figure eight motion to clear the compass message if
>>>>> necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> To receive the LookAround information, shake the iPhone until you feel
>>>>> a
>>>>> vibration and hear a swishing sound. It may take from 5 to 30 seconds
>>>>> depending on the point of interest data location. The swish will give
>>>>> you
>>>>> a
>>>>> progress indication every 3 seconds. Once you move positions and want
>>>>> to
>>>>> "Look around" again, shake the iPhone to receive new information.
>>>>> Remember
>>>>> when you press Home and leave the application and then launch it
>>>>> again,
>>>>> the
>>>>> previous information may still be on the screen. Shake again to get
>>>>> new
>>>>> information.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't hear anything several seconds after shaking the phone,
>>>>> touch
>>>>> the top of the screen to hear what is being displayed. Perhaps the
>>>>> information wasn't spoken, the request timed out or there is no GPS
>>>>> position, in which case you may hear, "Limited position data. Change
>>>>> location and try again."
>>>>>
>>>>> Once you have launched Sendero GPS LookAround, a shake of the iPhone
>>>>> will
>>>>> cause LookAround to display the current Heading, street, city, cross
>>>>> street
>>>>> and nearest point of interest based on the POI category you have
>>>>> chosen
>>>>> under settings. It defaults to the Restaurant category. Note the
>>>>> Variety
>>>>> category is a combination of 8 categories containing the letter E such
>>>>> as
>>>>> restaurant and hotel. Searching 8 categories at once may cause the app
>>>>> to
>>>>> time-out more frequently.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main screen is laid out with output text displayed toward the top
>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> screen with 3 long buttons in the lower half of the screen, one above
>>>>> the
>>>>> other. There are 5 small buttons evenly spaced across the bottom of
>>>>> the
>>>>> screen. Don't tap too hard when activating these buttons as you may
>>>>> trigger
>>>>> the iPhone shake feature.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 3 main buttons are:
>>>>> 1. Where Am I button:
>>>>> The first long button is the Where Am I button, which announces
>>>>> heading,
>>>>> nearest address and city. You receive a vibration and beep after
>>>>> activating
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The LookAround software makes its best guess as to which street you
>>>>> are
>>>>> on
>>>>> and which is the cross street. Many positioning factors go into
>>>>> whether
>>>>> this
>>>>> information is correct. This may be particularly problematic if you
>>>>> are
>>>>> inside or among tall buildings. This is because of your distance away
>>>>> from
>>>>> the street and because the positioning indoors is worse than it is
>>>>> outdoors
>>>>> and out in the open.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Nearest Cross Street Button:
>>>>> This is the second of the 3 long buttons. It announces the nearest
>>>>> street
>>>>> and cross street. Again, this refers to the nearest street and not
>>>>> necessarily the one ahead in your direction of travel. If you are at
>>>>> an
>>>>> intersection, it is common for GPS systems to get confused as to which
>>>>> street you are on versus which one is the cross street. A vibration
>>>>> and
>>>>> beep
>>>>> will confirm that you activated this button.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Nearest 5 Points of Interest button:
>>>>> Whereas the Shake gives you the nearest single point of interest, this
>>>>> POI
>>>>> button displays up to 5 nearby points of interest in the category you
>>>>> choose
>>>>> under Settings. The search goes out to 2 kilometers, 1.24 miles. These
>>>>> points are based on proximity, 360 degrees around you. A vibration and
>>>>> beep
>>>>> will confirm that you activated this button. A swish every 3 seconds
>>>>> will
>>>>> indicate that a search is in progress.
>>>>> Note: You can hear the distance to these various items in feet, yards
>>>>> or
>>>>> meters. The default is Yards. This can be changed under the Settings
>>>>> menu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once POIs are found, a list will be shown in a separate screen with
>>>>> the
>>>>> name
>>>>> of the POI followed by the distance and compass direction to that POI.
>>>>> These
>>>>> are buttons you can click on to receive more details like the address
>>>>> and
>>>>> phone number. Click on the phone number to call that business. A Call
>>>>> or
>>>>> Cancel button will then be presented. The Back button will take you to
>>>>> the
>>>>> POI list. If you do call the business, you will be taken to the phone
>>>>> application and will need to launch LookAround again. It will of
>>>>> course
>>>>> be
>>>>> in the task switching list.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 5 buttons across the bottom of the iPhone main LookAround screen
>>>>> from
>>>>> left to right are as follows: There is a beep after the touch of each
>>>>> button. There is no vibration.
>>>>> 1. The Map button takes you to Google maps and a push-pin is displayed
>>>>> on the screen to indicate your position. Voice Over will not announce
>>>>> any
>>>>> of
>>>>> the map information. Press the Back Button to exit the Map and return
>>>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>> main screen.
>>>>> 2. The Compass button will indicate which direction the iPhone is
>>>>> facing if there is no compass interference, which may come from nearby
>>>>> electronics or magnetic forces. Once you have changed direction with
>>>>> the
>>>>> phone, touch the Compass button. Once you receive the confirming beep,
>>>>> the
>>>>> new compass direction should be spoken. If not, touch the top of the
>>>>> screen
>>>>> to hear the text output. If you are told there is compass
>>>>> interference,
>>>>> slowly move the phone in a figure eight shape while it is laying flat.
>>>>> When
>>>>> the interference goes away, the error will disappear from the screen.
>>>>> 3. Shake on/off toggle button. If you hear Shake On button, this means
>>>>> the Shake feature is enabled as described above. The purpose of this
>>>>> toggle
>>>>> is so you can turn the shake feature off when you place the phone in
>>>>> your
>>>>> pocket or bag without closing the LookAround application. Normal
>>>>> walking
>>>>> will tend to make the phone shake inadvertently and keep talking
>>>>> unless
>>>>> you
>>>>> switch off the Shake feature. Alternatively, press the power button on
>>>>> the
>>>>> top of the phone briefly to lock the screen temporarily. You will need
>>>>> to
>>>>> unlock the screen before LookAround will function again.
>>>>> 4. The Setting button will open another screen with a list of options
>>>>> such as Shake on and off, Country, Metric/Imperial distance units and
>>>>> Help.
>>>>> The item which is enabled will say "selected."
>>>>> The POI Category Button, which has a flag icon, takes you to a list of
>>>>> categories. There is a Picker list. Voice Over users can swipe up and
>>>>> down
>>>>> to change the category. Press the Back Button to return to the main
>>>>> screen
>>>>> and your new POI category will be used when you shake the phone or
>>>>> press
>>>>> the
>>>>> 5 POI button. This category list is in alphabetical order.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: When you touch any of the 3 primary buttons on the main screen,
>>>>> the
>>>>> focus is moved to the text portion of the screen and you will hear the
>>>>> text
>>>>> spoken. If you want to activate one of those buttons again, you need
>>>>> to
>>>>> move
>>>>> focus back to the button before activating it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Secondary Sendero LookAround Screens:
>>>>>
>>>>> Settings Screen:
>>>>>
>>>>> There are 4 items on the Settings screen, one above the other and a
>>>>> Back
>>>>> button in the top left of the screen, which takes you out of Settings
>>>>> and
>>>>> Back to the Main screen. These settings will be saved until you
>>>>> install
>>>>> a
>>>>> new version of LookAround.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first item is Shake Gesture. To its right is its on/off status.
>>>>> You
>>>>> will
>>>>> hear Selected for the active status.
>>>>> If you select the Off status, the Shake button will be removed from
>>>>> the
>>>>> main
>>>>> screen. This is different than the function of the Shake button on the
>>>>> main
>>>>> screen, which turns it off temporarily.
>>>>>
>>>>> The second button allows you to select the map region and you will
>>>>> hear
>>>>> which one is selected to its right. The current options are North
>>>>> America
>>>>> for the US and Canada and the other is Europe, which contains most but
>>>>> not
>>>>> all maps for the region. We hope to add other countries in future
>>>>> versions.
>>>>>
>>>>> The third button is Distance unit, Feet, Meters or Yards. The active
>>>>> unit
>>>>> will say selected. The default is yards.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fourth button will take you to the Help screen.
>>>>> This screen has hints and tips for using the iPhone. There is a link
>>>>> at
>>>>> the
>>>>> bottom to the Sendero iPhone page, which has more details. The Back
>>>>> button
>>>>> is in the top left corner. The disclaimer button is in the bottom
>>>>> right
>>>>> corner.
>>>>>
>>>>> POI Category Screen
>>>>>
>>>>> This screen starts with a Back button in the upper left corner
>>>>> followed
>>>>> by
>>>>> the title text, Select POI Category.
>>>>>
>>>>> Below that is the currently selected item. Touch this item and then
>>>>> move
>>>>> up
>>>>> and down through the list of categories. Whichever category is
>>>>> highlighted
>>>>> is the one that will be used once you return to the main screen. There
>>>>> is
>>>>> no
>>>>> Save or Done button. Just press Back to return to the main screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Known Issues:
>>>>>
>>>>> There may be locations where you hear a POI label spoken but no data
>>>>> reported. Please email us with the city and state or lat/lon to
>>>>> GPS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx if you come across this.
>>>>>
>>>>> There may also be situations where the POIs are far away or for some
>>>>> other
>>>>> reason the swishing goes for a long time. It should time out after 2
>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Operational items to be aware of:
>>>>>
>>>>> Map data for most countries is from Tele Atlas with POI content from
>>>>> Info
>>>>> USA. The data resides on a server so if phone connectivity is lost,
>>>>> the
>>>>> data
>>>>> cannot be accessed. There is no data resident on the phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> The iPhone performs its positioning based on triangulation of the
>>>>> nearest
>>>>> cell towers as well as with GPS. This means that if you are indoors,
>>>>> you
>>>>> can
>>>>> still receive rough location information even without GPS reception.
>>>>> It
>>>>> depends how far away these cell towers are as to the accuracy you will
>>>>> receive.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you are outside, the built-in GPS receiver and antenna can
>>>>> improve
>>>>> accuracy to the typical 30 to 50 feet range. For maximum accuracy,
>>>>> give
>>>>> the
>>>>> phone some time to acquire a GPS fix outside and away from tall
>>>>> buildings
>>>>> if
>>>>> possible. See the Sendero "GPS Accuracy" document for a comprehensive
>>>>> explanation.
>>>>>
>>>>> The iPhone compass direction within Sendero LookAround helps to
>>>>> indicate
>>>>> which way you are oriented but it does not synch up with the direction
>>>>> of
>>>>> the street it says you are on. It may be that it says you are heading
>>>>> West
>>>>> and announces a street that only goes North and South. There is
>>>>> currently
>>>>> no
>>>>> way to corroborate this information. Magnetic fields in the
>>>>> environment
>>>>> such
>>>>> as electronics, elevators and large masses of metal can influence the
>>>>> compass.
>>>>>
>>>>> It almost goes without saying that map and POI data can be out of date
>>>>> as
>>>>> soon as published. We encourage users not to take it personally if
>>>>> their
>>>>> street or favorite business is not in the database. Amazingly, most
>>>>> are.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you press Home and leave the Sendero LookAround app, it remains
>>>>> running
>>>>> in the background but the GPS position is not active. When you open it
>>>>> again, the last function you performed will display its information on
>>>>> the
>>>>> screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Sendero LookAround app works with the iPhone 4 and 3GS but does
>>>>> not
>>>>> work
>>>>> with the iPod Touch or the iPhone 3G.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you encounter a problem not listed here, please let us know as well
>>>>> as
>>>>> feature requests. Send to iPhone @SenderoGroup.com or join our Email
>>>>> Lists (http://senderogroup.com/social_media/email.htm)
>>>>>
>>>>> Copyright 2010 Sendero Group, LLC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael May, CEO Sendero Group
>>>>> Developers of accessible GPS and distributors of technology for the
>>>>> blind
>>>>>
>>>>> Voice, 530-757-6800
>>>>> MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> http://www.senderogroup.com
>>>>> http://www.AccessibleGPS.com
>>>>> http://www.CrashingThrough.com
>>>>>
>>>>> 429 F Street, Suite 4
>>>>> Davis, CA 95616
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael May, CEO Sendero Group
>>>>> Developers of accessible GPS and distributors of technology for the
>>>>> blind
>>>>>
>>>>> Voice, 530-757-6800
>>>>> MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> http://www.senderogroup.com
>>>>> http://www.AccessibleGPS.com
>>>>> http://www.CrashingThrough.com
>>>>>
>>>>> 429 F Street, Suite 4
>>>>> Davis, CA 95616
>>>>>
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