[gha-peace] Re: GANDHI GOLDEN RULE friendly ring/discussion

From: Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Lucas Pawlik <pawlik.lucas@xxxxxxxxx>, Leo Semashko <leo.tetrism76@xxxxxxxxx>, gha-peace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 21:41:55 +0300

Dear Lucas,

First, as Orthodox Christian, I am glad to congratulate you as a Catholic Christian. More detailed congratulations is here: https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=1184. Or are you NOT a Christian, NOT a believer and an atheist is, who has no God and everything is allowed him, like your Hitler and your Nazi Kyiv terrorists, whom you applaud while standing in all your parliaments and governments? For some reason you missed Easter, the main Christian holiday, past your ears, eyes and brains. Is this coincidence, or is it not a coincidence with your “values”? For me this is extremely important, priority. If we are both Christians, then this is the powerful positive platform for our peace/nonviolence and dialogue.

Second. The fact that you are not able to find a quote using the links proves your extreme laziness and helplessness to work with the scientific bibliography, which is indicated in my letters and Gandhica. You ignored all this. Here you are NOT a scientist, but a schoolboy. I quote to you this passage from Gandhi in full from the source: M. Gandhi. My Religion, Chapter 26: https://gandhiashramsevagram.org/my-religion/chapter-26-love-in-relating-to-the-animal-world.php.

«Even manslaughter may be necessary in certain cases. Suppose a man runs amuck and goes furiously about sword in hand, and killing any one that comes his way, and no one dares to capture him alive. Anyone who dispatches this lunatic will earn the gratitude of the community and be regarded a benevolent man.

From the point of view of Ahimsa it is the plain duty of every one to kill such a man. There is indeed one exception if it can be so called. The yogi who can subdue the fury of this dangerous man may not kill him. But we are not here dealing with beings who have almost reached perfection; we are considering the duty of a society of ordinary erring human beings.

There may be a difference of opinion as regards the appositeness of my illustrations. But if they are inadequate, others can be easily imagined. What they are meant to show is that refraining from taking life can in no circumstances be an absolute duty.

The fact is that Ahimsa does not simply mean non-killing. Himsa means causing pain to or killing any life out of anger, or from a selfish purpose, or with the intention of injuring it. Refraining from so doing is Ahimsa.

The physician who prescribes bitter medicine causes you pain but does no Himsa. If he fails to prescribe bitter medicine when it is necessary to do so, he fails in his duty of Ahimsa. The surgeon who, from fear of causing pain to his patient, hesitates to amputate a rotten limb is guilty of Himsa. He who refrains from killing a murderer who is about to kill his ward (when he cannot prevent him otherwise) earns no merit, but commits a sin, he practises no Ahimsa, but Himsa out of a fatuous sense of Ahimsa. Young India, 1926.» Gandhi's recommendation to women to kill any rapist against them by any available means is similar.

Later, 22 years later, he repeats his law “Kill the killer” in a more general, dialectical manner of the opposites relationship for “violence-nonviolence”, “himsa-ahimsa”: «Ahimsa is a comprehensive principle. We are helpless mortals caught in the conflagration of Himsa… Then again because underlying Ahimsa is the unity of all life, the error of one cannot but affect all, and hence man cannot be wholly free from Himsa. Autobiography, 1948». (Ibid.)

The quoted ideas of Gandhi express the natural law of self-preservation and self-defense, which has long been included in international and national laws. Your pathos and narcissism with your stupid and vile sophistry of murder demonstrates not only the scale of your ignorance, but also the depth of your personal baseness. You are ready not only to cowardly lie down under the murderer and become a corpse, so as not to become his murderer, but also to cowardly put your parents, wife and children under him, so as not to again become the murderer of the murderer. Whether there is more ignorance or immorality here, your history will judge. In any case, you are an excellent example of Einstein's “infinite stupidity”: “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”

Third. I am glad to congratulate you on your courageous decision to accept my challenge and take part in our conceptual ring, which in one respect can end/kill lies, and in another become a tool for identifying truths on both sides, integrating them in synergy based on cooperation and friendship. But it depends on how we prepare our ring and what content we fill it with. Therefore, I still have doubts about your courage, which can only be dispelled by your strong positive proposals for organizing our one-hour ring. In response to them, I will offer my rules of the ring. Do you agree with this?

Let the Gandhian spherons come to you and raise your thinking,

Leo

GGHA Peace/Nonviolence Scientific Formula:

"Peace/Nonviolence Comes from Spherons Harmony through their Peace Science and AI"

Regards,

Dr. Leo Semashko:

-State Councilor of St. Petersburg, Russia; RANH Professor;

-Philosopher, Sociologist, Cybernetician and Peacemaker from Spherons’ Harmony;

-Gandhian Global Harmony Association (GGHA) Founder (2005) and H/President (2016);

-GGHA Website "Peace from Spherons Harmony" Director: www.peacefromharmony.org;

- Spherons’ verification, available at any social object for each in 2 hours:

https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=1125

-True Peace Artificial Intelligence of global statistics:

https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=1109

Editor, the GGHA 10 books for 18 years, including:

-Anti-Nuclear Manifesto, 2020: https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=908;

-Gandhica, 2019: https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=848;

-Global Peace Science of the Spherons, (GPSS), 2016:

http://peacefromharmony.org/docs/global-peace-science-2016.pdf;

- Humanity Is Able To Live In Global Peace, Without Wars And Violence. 2023:

https://worldgrowthforums.com/world-growth-forums-magazines/wgf-mag-jun-2023/

-Personal page: http://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=253

----- Original Message -----

From: Lucas Pawlik, pawlik.lucas@xxxxxxxxx

To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx

Sent: 29 марта 2024 г., 23:29:58

Subject: [gha-peace] Re: GANDHI GOLDEN RULE friendly ring/discussion

Dear Leo, I have not found your quote from Mahatma Gandhi, "Kill the killers," in any of your responses. If you can prove this quote exists, I accept the duel and would like you to promote it:
Killer the Killers - Mahatma Gandhi's Doctrine of non-violence reloaded
As you are the Gandhi expert, you can also explain how Gandi expects us to kill the enemy.
What exact killing methods that Mahatma Gandhi advocate in his path of non-violence?
Regarding the Sperons, I am indeed very interested to know how Mahatma Gandhi recommends using them to kill the killers.
And a last question: when you have killed the killers, would you stay committed and kill yourself afterward?
After all, once you kill the killer, you are the killer.
Let us use your answer to these questions to advertise our friendly, nonviolent duel. Many people will be as surprised as I was about this new understanding of Gandhi's nonviolence.
Please answer my questions publically before the duel. The more people we get together, the more people we can lead to kill the killer, as Mahatma Gandhi indeed envisioned in his legacy.
May the spherons be with you,

Lucas
Am Do., 28. März 2024 um 18:09 Uhr schrieb Leo Semashko <leo.tetrism76@xxxxxxxxx>:

Dear Lucas,

Your last, non-scientific lines, with a mush from Gandhi, Hammurabi, Plato and Putin, completely contradict your first lines. Porridge is not subject to scientific discussion, poor Lucas. Let's talk about the positive.

You and I are long-time peacemakers, both philosophers, so let us focus on the philosophical, holistic vision of peace, which is expressed in our integral, “Gandhian Peace Science” (GPS) by about 750 its coauthors for more than 19 years, in the creation of which you actively participated for several years in the GGHA.

For almost 20 years, the GGHA has created on its website “Peace from Spherons Harmony” (https://peacefromharmony.org/) about 700 personal pages of authors of all humanities disciplines as a cognitive fund and arsenal of our GPS, which has integrated and continues to integrate many constructive ideas from it, including yours in hundreds of its peace projects, articles, books, messages, etc. Your ideas have been presented on your personal page since 2015 here: https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=887.

I will not delve into your early, wonderful cybernetic ideas from your great teacher Heinz (2004), who truly recognized that machines will become smarter than humans if they become increasingly stupid, without understanding society as a whole, as well as your wonderful peacekeeping ideas "Innovators of Peace. Pioneers of Peace, 2015”, “Gandhi Gardens”, “Hack or Die” and finally your “Fungi Future - Biosphere Rescue Plan”. The latter remained beyond our understanding, so I exclude it from the circle of your achievements and productive ideas.

In 2019, at my invitation, you wrote a brilliant “Conclusion” to one of the GGHA fundamental books “Gandhica” (https://peacefromharmony.org/docs/gandhi-nonviolence-of-spherons-gandhica-2019.pdf). In its excellent synopsis you write: “Through the advancement of AI and hypersonic weapons, Gandhi's Golden Rule of Non-Violence [which in Gandhi’s law “kill the killer, the Nazi, for the sake of peace/nonviolence” is embodied today by Putin] becomes humanity's most important survival principle in steering digitalization. We either non-violently hack humanity's digitally empowered circle of violence or die from its escalation.”(p 152).

We completely, 100% agree with it, if we add to it the Nazi ideology of absolute violence/genocide, with your great conclusions: “restore understanding and control of society to prevent totalitarian control, global war and ecocide”, “revival of civil versus military cybernetics”, “reorganize our evolution”, “nonviolent self-organization instead of immortalization of wars." And most importantly, your call by scientists and cyberneticists to “unite human and machine intelligence to lead humanity with Gandhi’s Golden Rule of Nonviolence” in order to survive, not die. And so on. Your cybernetic ideas have been embodied in the GGHA project “Peace, Safe AI”, which we are actively promoting now (https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=1168).

Your misfortune and limitation was only that you were unable to understand the fundamental idea of Gandhi’s “varnas/spherons” as the ONLY ACTORS OF THE GREATEST FORCE OF NON-VIOLENCE/PEACE of humanity. Unlike dozens of the GGHA members, who at that time carried out statistical verification of the spherons in their countries, you were too lazy to do this for the spherons of Austria, therefore you did not understand this deep, genetic reality that governs humanity at all levels, starting with the individual, family, etc. This fundamental gap devalued your great ideas, but was filled in the GPS, which, for this reason, you now do not want to acknowledge, although you have invested a lot in it.

Due to your similar contradictions, I invite you to a one-hour public discussion on ZOOM as a friendly conceptual boxing ring on any of the topics close to both of us, for example: “How is safe AI possible for peace, and not for war?”, or , “Sociocybernetics and macrosociology: what is their mutual complementarity?”, or, “Global Peace Science and AI”, etc. You could suggest your topics for our discussion. We could discuss the details of the organization and preparation of our ring/discussion after your consent with it.

Dr. Rudolf Siebert from the USA in his letter to me warmly supports the idea of ZOOM discussions, where he writes about its theological implementation (his response here: https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=1175). I am also sending you our Message with him attached (which was sent to Mr Putin), where the idea of the conceptual ring is developed in more detail. This invitation applies to all brave scientists who are ready to defend the TRUTH, which according to Gandhi “is GOD!”, if it has not yet died in the West.

Similar discussions constitute a way of scientific mobilization of peacemaking, pacifism and “Gandhi’s Golden Rule of Non-violence” on the verge of nuclear suicide and ecocide of the century-old Nazi ideology “Mein Kampf”, which civilization cannot “HACK SO NOT TO DIE” according to your laconic formula. Nothing interferes with our conceptual friendly duel/discussion unless you are afraid of it. But we hope that you are a brave and courageous person. Our “weight” categories are approximately equal, and its goal is not destruction, but further cooperation and friendship for the sake of peace/nonviolence, which we both dream of. Do you want this, or are some “values” holding you back?

Friendly,

Leo,

GGHA Peace Formula:
"Peace Comes from Spherons Harmony through their Peace Science and AI"

Dr. Leo Semashko:
-State Councilor of St. Petersburg, Russia; RANH Professor;
-Philosopher, Sociologist, Cybernetician and Peacemaker from Spherons’ Harmony;
-Gandhian Global Harmony Association (GGHA) Founder (2005) and H/President (2016);
-GGHA Website "Peace from Spherons Harmony" Director: www.peacefromharmony.org;
- Spherons’ verification, available at any social object for each in 2 hours:
https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=1125
-True Peace Artificial Intelligence of global statistics:
https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=1109
Editor, the GGHA 10 books for 18 years, including:
-Anti-Nuclear Manifesto, 2020: https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=908;
-Gandhica, 2019: https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=848;
-Global Peace Science of the Spherons, (GPSS), 2016:
http://peacefromharmony.org/docs/global-peace-science-2016.pdf;
- Humanity Is Able To Live In Global Peace, Without Wars And Violence. 2023:
https://worldgrowthforums.com/world-growth-forums-magazines/wgf-mag-jun-2023/
-Personal page: http://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=253

----- Original Message -----
From: Lucas Pawlik, pawlik.lucas@xxxxxxxxx
To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 24 марта 2024 г., 19:50:15
Subject: [gha-peace] Re: GANDHI: DEATH TO UKRONAZISTS! Organizers of the mass terrorism!

Dear Leo, Thank you for your kind remarks. However, I did ask for an actual scientific reference. Just because you write something on your webpage does not make it true. This is not how science works.
When I am against something, I study it well enough to know at least the names of what I am up against. I noticed you do not care what you take from whom without referencing it. Maybe you mixed up Gandhi's non-violence with the Codex Hammurabi?
If you do scientific research, you will know that Gandhi borrowed the idea from Plato, so it should be Plato and Putin. Poor Gandhi.
My condolences also for your ignorance.
Best wishes,
Lucas

Am So., 24. März 2024 um 16:16 Uhr schrieb Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx>:

сб, 23 мар. 2024 г., 15:34 Leo Semashko <leo.tetrism76@xxxxxxxxx>:

Publication:
In English: https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=1175
In Russian: https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=ru_c&key=1065

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