[ggo-discussion] Re: SGF tree display
- From: "Nazif, Zaher A." <znazif@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'ggo-discussion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <ggo-discussion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:30:31 -0500
Hello Peter,
Thanks for the explanation and giving the users a chance to voice opinions.
Personally, I prefer the second type of tree displays that you discussed:)
preferably integrated with the board in the same window. Most of the time, I
have the board window maximized and I do not like having to switch to
another window that displays the tree.
It would be interesting to hear from other users also.
Seeing the information that is displayed with the tree, the user should be
able to home in directly on the part of the tree that is of interest. I like
the screen shot that you included.
I share your opinion about the Smartgo tree display. My problem with that is
the way it unfolds and the inability to see enough info on the display. I do
not like to click too many times and prefer to see as much info as possible
with the least number of clicks.
In fact, the tree display is the only reason why I do not use Smartgo.
Regards...
Zee
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Subject: [ggo-discussion] Re: SGF tree display
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 08:35:16PM -0500, Nazif, Zaher A. wrote:
> I suppose that eventually we can have labels and comments associated with
> the nodes. I think the labels (such as: good, bad, option, a, b, mistake,
> etc.) should be displayed with the tree. Comments can appear elsewhere
when
> the node is clicked. It would also be nice to make the nodes and links
> smaller in order to fit more in the window. I like the display of winMGT a
> lot.
Something I definately want to add are node names, which are used by Kogo a
lot and are quite useful. This did not make it into the tree demo as there
is no way to add a node name in the demo anyways, so somewhat useless. I
thought I display the node name in the tree window, maybe in the status bar
or so.
SGF has these labels like "good move" etc., you mentioned. gGo doesn't
support those at all. I only know one SGF editor which displays these.
I had a look at all the various SGF trees in editors I could get my hands
on. I see two types of trees: The CGoban2-type, also used by Kombilo, with a
horizontal graphical tree. I very much prefer this. The other is a vertical
list with folded nodes (much like Windows explorer), used by MultiGo,
SmartGo and most others. This shot should illustrate the second type best:
http://www.zenhacker.com/Pictures/_tree.gif
The second type can display more information than the first type, but in my
opinion the first offers the better visualization. I never managed to get
used to the SmartGo tree (its certainly good but too complex for my taste).
Maybe I do both tree versions, the horizontal tree as an own window (this is
hard to embed into the board window) and a smaller list showing node names
etc. in the board sidebar. Don't know yet. That's why I'm asking, to do some
brainstorming with the gGo users. :)
Peter
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