You know i should have persevered with the OT... they knew and used radio communication.. Job 38-35 35 Canst thou send lightnings, and will they go, and will they return and say to thee: Here we are? Oh if only we could hear the original writer.. fickle and uneducated later copiers and linguists after a science long lost had no way of saying , "Can you send a wire and be sure it will be recieved , Can you be sure they will send back a reply.."' we can never know if it was not a super electrical telepathy transmitter.. what ever it was, it would have to be far superior to anything we have today.. Aether , aether and more aether... \and the ancient Tibetans not only had a spherical earth surrounded by an iron heaven, but also knew, amazingly enough, that the earth's diameter was about 7,000 miles. In Nachmanides' commentary on the Torah, he quotes from the ancient rabbis: "The heavens were in a fluid form on the first day, and on the second day they solidified." Another ancient rabbi said: "Let the firmament become like a plate, just as you say in Ex. 39:3." Nachmanides himself describes the firmament as "an extended substance congealed water separating" the waters from the waters. none of the ancients, except for possibly the Greek atomists, had any notion of empty space. The Hebrew words for "void" and "nothingness" have parallel uses in many Old Testament passages and generally refer to a watery chaos (Gen. 1:1; Jer. 4:23; Is. 40:17, 23). Therefore we must conclude, as does Marvin H. Pope, that Job does not have the Pythagorean notion of the earth suspended in space. Oceans, not empty space, surround the Hebrew world. Although it sounds odd at first, the rabbinic idea that the sky-dome was made of congealed water makes eminent sense in terms of creation out of watery chaos. This doctrine, and not creatio ex nihilo, is the prima facie implication of Genesis 1:1; and the scholarly consensus is that this initial impression is indeed correct. Hebrews 11:3--"that which is seen was made out of things which do not appear"--has been used for centuries as the main scriptural support for creation out of nothing. it is true that the Hebrews had a rough understanding of the circulation of water vapor and the source of rain in the clouds (Job 36:27, 28), they also conceived of mechanisms in heav-en whereby God could directly induce great atmospheric catastrophes. Obviously the clouds themselves could not have held enough water for the Great Flood, so "all the foundations of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened" (Gen. 7:ll; cf. Mal. 3:l0). This is also further proof that the earth was surrounded by watery chaos. And thankful we should be for the wisdom of God that He does not provide the nitty gritty detail.. such certain to hasten our demise.. Our science is already doing well enough in that direction at its own rate.. What was pre flood science like? We know they did not speak in different tongues..Maybe they spoke not at all, but thought waves.. Platos Atlantis, what secrets did you have? We materialists have to hate Noah. He would have forbidden his family to speak of it.. Bet there was one woman there that started it all again though.. Not claiming authorship....