Bernie B I was impressed with the objectivity and honesty of the writer. I was also struck as I read it through, how easily the entire article could be changed to represent the opposite ie heliocentric and atheistic, position. It could almost be done with half a dozen global find and replace operations. To me, this is a good indicator of objectivity. However one spoiled the objectivity of it. "I am looking for evidence of a fixed Earth, ... ". He isn't searching for truth, he is seeking evidence which will support, not just an assumption, but a conviction. Paul D Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com