(1) No information can exist without a code. " If Gitt states this, then he must be a git. Perhaps I am distracted by jargon, but I oppose litterary or any other jargon anyway, even the metaphysics of St Thomas. It's a case of peers p...n in each others pocket. Chaos is information, and it certainly has no code. (intelligent code , that is) Why are we still on this? I thought we had debunked the watch analogy. To me the combined brains of all humanity represents total chaos, and would be a very poor proof of an intelligent creator indeed. And if I were to take the brain of Einstein alone.........still chaos, hardly worthy of a proof of an intelligent creator. Perhaps the opposite. Philip.