Phillip, currently, no-one on Earth can give you an accurate model predicting the orbit of the moon without the use of "look-up" tables which are all geocentric based. No need to attack Allan in this way. He's a bright cookie! Like a light bulb with the power off. Very hard to read by. Steven. I did not ask that question, of predicting any orbits of the moon, and I did not attack Allen.. I asked him to answer my question.. he cant, or won't, and from your letter here niether can you even read the question. I said no math needed, and certainly that should imply no need for tables.. I post the questions on the moon again. its a simple geometric observable model and I will add here not needing to have any heliocentric or galactic complications... Here the 2 queries again.. simple IQ tests. I have substituted rotating where it means spin , with spin for greater clarity, though the context was quite clear for rotating.. Exercise : Can an object orbit and not rotate? Where is the point of zero rotation between a clockwise orbiting body which is spinning clockwise, and the same clockwise orbiting body spinning anticlockwise, and all the points in between. .. ??? I cannot understand why this seems so difficult, if you need a pencil use it. Regner has given the answer a way with one word. How many rotations does the moon have ? multiple choice. Simple system, no galactic or solar system complications. Same answer for geo or helio ... a. none. b. one. c. two d. three e. other. . Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Jones To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Two spin axes of Earth? philip madsen wrote: Phillip, currently, no-one on Earth can give you an accurate model predicting the orbit of the moon without the use of "look-up" tables which are all geocentric based. No need to attack Allan in this way. He's a bright cookie! Steven. Dear Paul, Why did you find it necessary to patronise Regner in that way? Regarding the 'real thing' what in heavens name is Regner doing that no-one else is? Jack Well from my view, Regner is a professional Astronomer, I'm not even an amateur..But I got Wiki and a million web sites to help me follow his words. . And Allen cannot even tell us how many rotations the moon has. I dare not ask him the next question concerning the axes of the moons rotations. Philip. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.29/1124 - Release Date: 11/11/2007 10:12 AM