[geocentrism] Re: Question Begging
- From: Bernard Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:06:52 -0700 (PDT)
It's begging the question twice.. who says the sun is heavier, it could be
lighter
( no pun intended ) ? If you could capture fire and then weigh it, I bet it
would
not weigh very much.
Even if it were heavier, don't you think God could say, "I'll just create
this heavy
sun over here and make it orbit the Earth?"
It's begging the question twice because the assumption is being made that the
sun is heavier than the Earth when "logic" would say otherwise, and also the
assumption
is being made that a far-away heavy object can't orbit a lighter object.
I would even question the distance to the sun and the size of the sun.
Bernie
philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Its not begging the question.. simple logic that a lighter mass
orbits a larger heavier mass, and not the reverse, as easily demonstrated on
earth, tells us that heliocentric cosmology is the most probable, and rational
explanation. The contrary which appears irrational and against natural laws as
we experience them is much more difficult to justify, requiring extremely
different approaches.
If it were not for the Bible and the Word of God, none of us here would ever
have any reason to doubt the MS explanation unless of course we were of the
flat earth variety. Yet even here I am unfair. Some of the scientific proofs
offered at the time, which I have read concerning the flat earth were extremely
ingenious, and still fool me. Neville reminded me of it in his description of
the working of the resolution of the human eye.
That (heliocentric cosmology) is the "stumbling block" which "confounds the
wise.....that seeing they shall not perceive" .
We have no justification in condemning the wisdom of the world, given that
they do not receive the Grace of this perception, which puts we who are the
fools, on the right and true course. Yet given that, we have not arrived at any
scientific proof that is any more reasonable than that which MS has proposed.
Perhaps that is the wisdom of God, that they must find their own way, without
any co-ercion from us.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Question Begging
Excellent.....since there is no Observation or experience that the earth is
moving without assuming that the earth is indeed moving (begging the question)
therefore the only logical course to begin from is a model earth absent of
movement and then attempt to prove or demonstrate any movement if any?..of
course all the experiments would lead one to the conclusion that is in fact not
in motion without begging the question.....It is only via the assumption of its
movement which was never demonstrated to begin with that one can even begin to
explain away the observations and experience that are consistent with the only
logical positions to start from namely that the earth is without any
demonsratable motion ??..therefore to assume that the earth does in fact move
is to build upon a foundation of sand and or suggest that it is or must be
moving because it could be in some theoretical and or imaginational framework
and then to call it science is not only a circular fallacy but
is......well quite silly!
Bernard Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: To beg the question: to pass
over or ignore a question by assuming it to be established or settled; to
assume as proven the very thing one is trying to prove.
or:
To pass over or ignore the question of
"is the Earth moving" by assuming it to be established or settled; to assume
that the Earth is moving when trying to disprove
that the Earth is not moving.
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