Philip, Thank you for your thoughts. I do not consider my ideas worthy of belittlement, so I am not going to take your statements in anything other than the constructive way that you clearly intend them. All I am doing is playing around with ideas, seeing which look promising and which fail for one reason or another. In some respect this is reinventing the wheel, but there we are, call it my re-education, if you like. The problem with the electrical analogy is that, in the atom, the negative electrical charges ought, by electromagnetic theory, to spiral into the nucleus in a tiny fraction of a second. As my quantum mechanics lecturer, Dr. Boyce, said, "If we take a brief moment to consider this ..." pause, "then we should see that something is not quite right with the theory." It seems that God maintains the universe, just as God seems to maintain each individual atom. Perhaps that's as far as we can say? I don't know. Keep those thoughts coming, though!! Neville. philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: ITS A MATTER OF SCALE. (and perhaps an electrical universe) Neville and Paul. In trying to follow your discussion I get lost in the emensity of space. For some reason, and I suspect that it is because it is empty space that MS cannot accept the heavy universe rotating around the weightless centre of our miserable little "planet". They have all this mathmatical magic of explaining how our universe is some great landscape of individual star systems like our solar system rotating around some other central zero mass centre, or alternatively some massive super gravity centre. Especially are they horrified at the concept of this heavy sun of ours having a planetary motion around this world. I do not see how math alone can prove any reality. It can of course support any given assumed reality, which is theoretical. So what if this universe was governed more by electrical forces than Newtonian? Isn't it just a matter of scale? So that I can bring this discussion down to the level of us non-mathmatical types, may I propose a different model. Sorry Neville, I am not trying to belittle all of your fine work, but those diagrams and those equations about parallex etc are just too complex for me, so I am trying to apply what I think you are attempting to prove to a simpler system. a system that most would not deny is easier to perceive, and is really a model of the universe, if you can accept it is just a matter of scale. Most will agree that within certain assumed theoretical limitations our world is made up of atoms, which have nearly all the mass at the nucleus, called protons, surrounded by a variey of orbiting "weightless?" electrons.. We can and do look on these as mini-planetary systems. I am not certain of the veracity, but it has been written that between the atoms of all the molecules within our earthly matter, there is an emensity of space, equivalent in proportion to the total masses of electrons and protons, as exists between outer space and the total mass of our sun systems. In other words an inner mini universe not unlike our maxi outer universe, excepting we are quietly confident this inner universe is electrical in nature.. (governed by the laws of charge rather than newtonian gravity) All you need do now is place yourself on a single world at the centre of your new universe, and gaze at the heavens, and wonder at the emensity of space, and wonder how that heavy sun could possibly incircle your little world. You would see all those parallaxes too. And if you could see right out to the surface of this 'planet' which is as they say rotating at 360 degrees a day, you would know according to Newton, that it would be physically impossible for such a mass at such velocities. Hmmm. .. Do you get the picture? What is stopping all those inner masses flying out to the periphery, as heliocentrists suggest must happen to the sun, if it was doing a 24hr trip around the earth. MS will say that this inner micro "universe" is an electrical universe. Charge keeps everything in place. Correct. Just as an electrical linesman who connects himself to the 215,000Volt line to enable him to work on a highly charged component cannot feel this charge, likewise you wont suspect you are charged. Your friend Newton will steal an idea and formulate a theory based upon mass and gravity rather than charge, and make all things fit. And that may be how we barked up the wrong tree. Maybe our universe is just another gigantic "solid" ball ....like I said, a matter of scale.. Philip. Disclaimer.. This model explanation is in no way to be taken as contradictory to any previous epistles from myself re a rotating aether as being a manifestation of the fourth dimension of space, but rather ancilliary to it. LOL. plm --------------------------------- What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship.