[geocentrism] Re: New web page

  • From: "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:54:51 +0000 (GMT)

  Thank you for your comments.
  I have just taken this page down, because the ancient stellatum concept does 
not work (I realised this in bed last night).
  The page therefore needs rewriting and I will refer to your comments when 
doing this. I will use the opportunity to explain why the stellatum does not 
work, so the diagram was not a complete waste of time.

Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
          Neville J
  1 [Geocentrism evidence 5 - Negative Parallax]
Hipparcos Catalogue, field H11, -55 mas to 772.33 mas. 
Tycho Catalogue, field T11, -919 mas to 701.5 mas. 
where one 'mas' is 0''.001 (for example, 250 mas = 0''.25).
  In this discussion we shall refer exclusively to the Tycho Main Catalogue, 
because this has far more entries than the Hipparcos Catalogue and because 
these entries allow for a much more symmetrical distribution of parallax about 
the zero value.
  [Paul D - comment]
The way I read this, it seems you are using the table with the greatest 
negative parallax content. Isn't this choosing your data to favour your 
2 [Geocentrism evidence 5 - Negative Parallax]
In the Geostationary model of the universe, these negative parallax values are 
not only easy to explain, in terms of a shell of stars, referred to as the 
stellatum (see Fig. 2), rotating diurnally about the World, but also are to be 
perhaps expected, given that a Geostationary universe does not require such 
enormous distances to the stars.
  [Paul D - comment]
If this is true then your "outer stars" which are on the ecliptic must 
gradually speed up for six months then slow down for six months while your 
"inner stars" must conversly slow down for six months followed by six months of 
speeding up, in each case relative to your "middle stars". For those stars at 
or near the celestial poles however, your "outer stars" must rotate 
anti-clockwise continuously faster than your "middle stars" while your "inner 
stars" must rotate clockwise continuously more slowly than your "middle stars", 
in each case relative to the universe as a whole since you have it rotating 
once each sidereal day. Those between the ecliptic and the poles must follow 
paths which represent vector sums of these two extremes and dependant on the 
celestial latitude. I sure would hate to have to do the sums!
Is this what you intend?
(In the examples given above, the reference point -- the middle stars -- can be 
moved closer and further without destroying the argument).
I don't see why a geostationary universe is necessarily smaller, but even if it 
was so, I don't see that it must support your contention.
  3 [Geocentrism evidence 5 - Negative Parallax]
In Fig. 3, 46% of all stars are located between the limits indicted (sic) ... 
  [Paul D - comment]
[Spelling error]
  4 [Geocentrism evidence 5 - Negative Parallax]
Contrariwise it is worthwhile noting that credibility sits more comfortably 
with the Geocentrists regarding the sizes of the Moon and Sun discs producing 
the solar eclipse effect that we all enjoy, than with the heliocentrists and 
their claim of "coincidence."
  [Paul D - comment]
Geo/Helio -- what's the difference? They must each subtend the (approx) same 
angle ie ratios of diameter to distance, and there must be Moon in front, Sun 
behind ie coincidence.
  5 [Geocentrism evidence 5 - Negative Parallax] Furthermore, although angular 
parallax measurements are small (the largest positive value gives an angle ACB, 
in Fig. 1, on the order of only 0.7 of an arcsecond), the effect is known to be 
genuine by way of photographic plates taken at yearly intervals which clearly 
show the same slight movement of some stars with respect to the background star 
field. In other words, stellar parallax is an observable phenomenon that is 
repeatable, rather than being experimental or statistical errors in measurement.
  [Paul D - comment]
Surely you mean "... over a twelve month period... ". If you take a measurement 
at yearly intervals, you will deduce no parallax.
  General comments.
If you assume an ascentric universe and you discover conveniently placed 
'infinately distant' reference objects, then all parallax will be positive. (I 
exclude proper motion here). If observations return both positive and negative, 
then a measurement error can be safely deduced. Since the distances are very 
large ie parallax below 1 milliarcsec (mas), it is immediately obvious that as 
the real parallax decreases, its ratio to the measurement error (essentially a 
constant) increases thus at some distance the measured parallax will be equally 
divided between positive and negative. Well before this distance, confidence in 
the measurements must decline markedly.
If the universe is geocentric, then the observations will still agree because 
that is what we see.
I would have more confidence in your statements if you were to produce for us, 
two curves correlating observed positive parallax with distance to object in 
question and another for the negative parallax case. This should then be 
duplicated for the Hipparcus data.
  Paul D

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