[geocentrism] Re: Moving Earth Deception -- Answer to Philip
- From: Sungenis@xxxxxxx
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 22:57:01 EDT
Philip,
Our treatment of Miller's 208 km/sec drift toward Draco is answered from a
geocentric perspective in GWW. We also deal with Stephen Marinov's claim to the
same, as well as Silvertooth and Smoot, et al
Here is the relevant portion. I believe it deals with your question.
Robert Sungenis
One of the interesting features of Miller’s results is that they were
calculated in relation to sidereal time, that is, against the displacement
between
a star and the Earth, as opposed to the sun and the Earth. The former time
yields 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4.09 seconds; the latter 24 hours
exactly._[1]_
(aoldb://mail/write/template.htm#_ftn1) This shows that the ether is
drifting in relation to the stars, and thus gives a more definitive picture of
absolute motion.
But we must pause at this juncture to critique Miller’s thinking process,
for he, being a Copernican, is basing his interpretation of data on his belief
that the Earth is moving at least 30 km/sec through space. Interestingly
enough, it is precisely because of this presupposition that Miller runs into
some
unexplained difficulty, since his observations begin to conflict with his
mathematical calculations. The one anomaly in all past interferometer
experiments that Miller discovered was the experimenters assumed they knew the
precise velocity of the Earth through the ether in combination with the solar
system
’s supposed motion toward the constellation of Hercules, but did they really
know? The geocentrist, of course, would answer that they did not know. In
any case, Miller’s 1925 experiment took into account this “anomaly” and he
made his calculations accordingly. Since he assumed the Earth was moving 30
km/sec, he combined this with the four positions (February, April, August,
September) that he examined of the Earth’s orbit around the sun and then used
Pythagorean geometry to determine the speed of the Earth toward the
constellation
Draco, which came to 208 km/sec._[2]_ (aoldb://mail/write/template.htm#_ftn2)
In other words, 208 km/sec is what Miller believed to be the Earth’s
absolute speed through the ether. Of course, being a heliocentrist, Miller is
assuming that the ether is motionless and that the Earth is moving through it.
In
any case, Miller’s 1933 paper reveals that his Pythagorean calculations do not
match what he observed in the fringe shifts. As we will recall, his
experimental fringe shifts showed a maximum of 10 km/sec, but this figure is
less
than his computed value by a factor of twenty! Miller did not have an answer
for
this problem, and it is left as an open-ended question in his 1933 paper.
The answer, of course, is that Miller’s Pythagorean calculations were based on
a faulty premise (i.e., that the Earth was moving). If that factor were
eliminated, his calculations would be in accord with his observations. The
same
can be said of recent experiments performed by Stefan Marinov, in the late
1970s, using coupled-mirror interferometry._[3]_
(aoldb://mail/write/template.htm#_ftn3)
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_[1]_ (aoldb://mail/write/template.htm#_ftnref1) In the same way, in
sidereal time (i.e., star time), the moon travels around the Earth in 27.33
days,
as opposed to 28-29 days as measured only from Earth.
_[2]_ (aoldb://mail/write/template.htm#_ftnref2) Miller configured the four
interferometer readings in the form of a parallelogram (February, April,
August, September), which assumes the Earth is in orbit around the sun. The
diagonal of each of the four parallelogram points represents the apex of that
period, while the long side represents the motion, which is coincident with
the
center of orbit; the short side of the parallelogram represents Earth
velocity of 30 km/sec. Hence, knowing the direction of the three sides of the
triangle, and the magnitude of one side, allows one to calculate the magnitude
of
the other sides, which for Miller was 208 km/sec toward Dorado. (See also
Laurence Hetch in 21st Century – Science and Technology, Spring 1988, pp.
47-48.)
_[3]_ (aoldb://mail/write/template.htm#_ftnref3) Stephan Marinov, whose
experiments show an ether-drift of 279-327 km/sec, declares that the Earth is
moving through it toward the midpoint of the constellations Virgo, Hydra and
Libra (J. P. Wesley, Galilean Electrodynamics, “In Memorium: Stefan Marinov,
Spring 1999, pp. 11-12; S. Marinov, General Relativity and Gravity 12, 57,
1980b). Also Czechoslovakia Journal of Physics B24:965, 1974, and Eppur Si
Muove
(Brussels: CBDS-Pierre Libert, 1977, pp. 101-111, the latter cited in Bouw,
Geocentricity, p. 257). Obviously, Marinov’s calculations are close to those
of Dayton Miller’s 1925 interferometer experiments, but, as Miller had, he
used heliocentric geometry in arriving at his 300+ km/sec. E. W. Silvertooth,
after having had “null” results in 1972 with frequency-doubling crystals
(Journal of the Optical Society of America, 62:1330), had similar results to
Marinov in a 1983 experiment. He claims that laser-interferometer experiments
analogous to the Michelson-Morley apparatus give a null result because
frequencies of the interfering beams are dependent upon velocity relative to a
stationary frame. Hence, the frequency adjusts precisely enough to cancel any
effects
due to the motion through the light’s reference frame, and a null result is
the inevitable consequence. This, claim, of course, assumes that the “velocity
” is caused by an Earth moving at 30 km/sec and that light has its own “
reference frame.” Another study performed by Smoot, Gorenstein and Muller also
sought to find motion of the Earth (Physical Review Letters, 39, 898, 1977).
As reported by Michael Rowan-Robinson, the quest was to find a “dipole
anisotropy of order 10-4 to 10-3…due to the random motions that galaxies have
with
respect to each other and to the cosmological frame of reference. The
radiation should look slightly hotter in the direction we are traveling
towards, and
slightly colder in the direction we are traveling from, by an amount ΔT/T ≈
v/c, due to the Doppler shift.” This study was important to them because “
Failure to detect this effect would put us in the uncomfortable position of
happening to be exactly at rest with respect to the cosmological frame.” In
other words, it would show the Earth at the center and immobile in space.
Although the Smoot team, similar to the Rubin team, found an anisotropy, it
made
little sense and did not get them out of the “uncomfortable position.” As
Rowan-Robinson reveals, “the magnitude of the velocity deduced for the Milky
Way,
600 km/sec, is so large as to throw existing ideas about or cosmic
environment into disarray.” In addition, “The authors note that the velocity
they have
found conflicts with various attempts to measure our velocity with respect
to nearby galaxies, but offer no explanation of this. With respect to the
Local Group of galaxies, the motion of the Solar System hardly differs from
that
expected due to our circular motion round the Galaxy. This suggests that the
whole Local Group has to be moving along together at this velocity of 600
km/sec with respect to the microwave background” (Michael Rowan-Robinson, “
Ether drift detected at last,” Nature, Vol. 270, November 3, 1977, p. 9). We
note
here that the Smoot team did not find a velocity of the Earth, but only a
velocity of the solar system and the Local group. Reginald T. Cahill reports
that at least seven experiments have detected a translational velocity; some
with gas-mode interferometers and others with coaxial cable (DeWitte 1991),
with a result of around 430 km/sec (R. T. Cahill, “Quantum Foam, Gravity and
Gravitational Waves,” Relativity, Gravitation, Cosmology, eds. V. V.
Dvoeglazov
and A. A. Espinoza, New York: Nova Science Publication, 2004, pp. 168-226; R.
T. Cahill, “Absolute Motion and Gravitational Effects,” Apeiron, 11, No. 1,
2004, pp. 53-111). In another paper Cahill writes: “Physics has been in an
era of extreme censorship for a considerable time; Miller was attacked for his
major discovery of absolute linear motion in the 1920’s, while DeWitte was
never permitted to report the data from his beautiful 1991 coaxial cable
experiments. Amazingly these experimenters were unknown to each other, yet
their
data is in perfect agreement….All discussions of the experimental detections
of absolute motion over the last 100 years are now banned from the mainstream
physics publications” (Reginald T. Cahill, The Einstein Postulates:
1905-2005: A Critical Review of the Evidence, Flinders University, Adelaide,
Australia, December 7, 2004.)
In a message dated 8/4/2007 10:04:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
You said that, "Failure to detect aether drift, to me is no evidence against
its existence,"
but aether drift has been detected. There are pages and pages on this in
GWW. (And very well researched and written, in my opinion.)
Neville.
Dear Neville.
I guess you have missed my point, .I do not deny the evidence of readings by
Miller and others of interference waves in light . I have trouble accepting
the reasons given. Maurice Allaise was closer to this truth.
In any case None including Robert B have answered my question re Millers
figures, which if true establish the earth is definitely moving in a direction
not related to either the speed/direction of rotation, nor the speed/direction
of orbit.. I repeat it here. But please notice the most important
presumptions I highlight in red for danger .
"Miller's work, which ran from 1906 through the mid-1930s, most strongly
supports the idea of an ether-drift, of the Earth moving through a
cosmological
medium, with calculations made of the actual direction and magnitude of
drift. By 1933, Miller concluded that the Earth was drifting at a speed of 208
km/sec. towards an apex in the Southern Celestial Hemisphere, towards Dorado,
the swordfish, right ascension 4 hrs 54 min., declination of -70° 33', in the
middle of the Great Magellanic Cloud and 7° from the southern pole of the
ecliptic. (Miller 1933, p.234) This is based upon a measured displacement of
around 10 km/sec. at the interferometer, and assuming the Earth was pushing
through a stationary, but Earth-entrained ether in that particular direction,
which
lowered the velocity of the ether from around 200 to 10 km/sec. at the
Earth's surface."
Back to work: My point;
I said
"Failure to detect aether drift, to me is no evidence against its
existence,"
In the same context I could have said with equal inference,
" detection of an aether drift using light (interferometer) is no evidence
for its existence. "
If in a given plane as compared to a plane at right angles to it, light
(EMR) was bent or shifted , causing interference patterns, ( and I have not
found
a singly solitary explanation of the mechanics behind what these are, and I
am left to guess that they bear some resemblance to standing waves in a
medium when two waves meet out of phase) any number of cosmic or earth bound
reasons may be possible to account for it.
Note that Millar had to go top of that mountain to get a readable result.
Whilst we may decide to explain this by claiming that the aether is slowed
down
by proximity of matter which Miller presumed, I likewise could just as
easily say that light propagation is affected by proximity of matter, the
strength and direction of the magnetic field of the earth, Cosmic rays ,
ionisation
in the earth, or any number of factors. All of these factors, particularly
the earth, influence in different ways radio propagation, depending on the
frequency. Consider the refraction in the ionisphere for example on medium
wave
RF.
Too many considerations can be involved for us to make preferred
presumptions. ..
I repeat,
I have said so often.. The proof of the aethers existence is in the fact
that force has acted over a distance in a vacuum.. there is no need of any
further proof.. What we are keen to know is the mechanism of what it is and
how
it works..
I hope to soon post my reasons for opposing the corpuscular theory of EMR. I
have called the subject "Half a photon"
Philip.
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