If Steven was right about this, (forgeries in the bible) then that puts the deathknell on Intelligent design, and the need for a God. Evolution withall its problems, (what science doesn't have those) becomes a logical reality. Of course I deny and do not accept what Steven says. The original script of the entire Bible as cannonised, by Jesus when He promised the Holy Ghost to the councils of the Apostles, is the word of God, and protected from error. That protection does NOT carry over to the uncountable varieties available today, in a world where the earthly authority charged with defending and protecting this truth has absconded and is negligent of that duty. Hence the confusion, and the impending doom that seems to be engulfing the entire world politically and morally. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernie Brauer To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Men and Women Steven, I have this compilation: http://educatecanada.googlepages.com/statefeminism Bernie Steven Jones <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Leading scholars generally agree that Genesis chapter one was written by a different author than chapter two. The first chapter I believe is far more authentic as possibly being the word of Almighty God than two, which appears to be a forgery and written by Adam. Problems with chapter two appear in many places, for example, are we really supposed to believe that God who created all of this intelligent design and many species with both a male and female kind would not have created a woman from the beginning or not have the foresight to notice that beasts of the field were not suitable partners for Adam? (Genesis 2:18-20) This story is quite simply preposterous and in total disharmony with chapter one, which quite simply states that God made both man and woman from the beginning. (Genesis 1:27). The KJV in this instance uses the word "man" for "humankind". The reality of course, is that we have both man and woman created from the outset, both equal but with different qualities and perspectives. My apologies to those truly orthodox among you if this is all a bit of a surprise, but I'm very thankful God has opened my eyes on this issue, because I stupidly believed at one time in mans superiority over the woman, and I suppose much of this view could have been fueled by the very devious and misogynistic ramblings of none other than Paul (or Saul of Tarsus). Incidentally, most Christians conveniently forget some of those "harder to in-force" nonsense rules governing the church laid down by him. (1 Cor 11:7, 14:34 to name but two). In conclusion, I've shown that chapter one clearly records both men and woman being created at the same time, and that God was also fully aware (of course) of what was being created. Man and woman, created for the glory of God or God's good pleasure as with the entire creation, having together different aspects of the divine. Not woman for the man, not man for the woman, but unity. Amen. Warmest Wishes, Steven. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 24/10/2007 2:31 PM