[geocentrism] Re: Joshua's Long Day
- From: "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:28:58 +0100 (BST)
Robert,
Mine was a simple question which seems to have been interpreted by you in a
rather overly sensitive manner.
You are wrong in your claim that Joshua's Long Day is less of a support for a
GS cosmos than the Fatima assertions. It is not just the Sun that ceases
movement in the Joshua account, but the Moon as well. The HC attempt to explain
this via cessation of the World's alleged rotation, cannot explain how the Moon
would stop moving. On the contrary, the Moon would be going faster and in the
opposite direction if the World stopped rotating. GSism is the only way of
explaining Joshua's Long Day and Bouw's work therefore supports both the Bible
and a GS universe. Also, of course, Joshua is included in a Bible that you
maintain is God-breathed and therefore unquestionably true. Fatima is not.
Protestants and others are quite justified in pointing this out, especially as
the faith of many people is based upon such claims as Fatima.
I do not know what "conspiracy theories" have to do with the straightforward
questioning of a claimed Mary miracle, unless you are implying that all of us
non-Catholics should blindly accept the claim. I could turn this around and
state that anyone who is incapable of seeing the World Trade Center atrocity,
to give but one example, for what it is is not very likely to see through the
Devil's handiwork, whatever it may be.
Hence, as regards your comment as to, "How 70,000 people can all imagine the
same phantasm?. Including children and sceptics," is not the answer obvious?
Best wishes,
Neville.
Robert Bennett <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Gerardus Bouw, in his book "Geocentricity," makes a case for
Joshua's long day being observed across the entire World, as indeed it would be
if the Sun and Moon did actually stop moving for "almost a whole day."
There?s no problem taking Joshua?s Day as a global effect. It?s
historically unfalsifiable, unless records exist of a long day far from the
Holy Land.
And it?s consistent with the timekeeping role of the heavenly objects, to be
universal clocks. ( Day 4 of creation)
But this global long day belief provides an out for modernists opposed to
geostatism. They say the Earth stopped rotating for the long day, giving the
?appearance? that the Sun stopped moving - despite the words of Scripture that
the Sun indeed ceased motion.
However, does not the local nature of the claimed sighting at Fatima
contradict the premise that the Sun actually moved in the heavens?
This question indicates that you need more information about the Fatima Sun
miracle.
Our Lady promised a miracle as a sign to unbelievers (including the local
prelates) , BUT THE NATURE OF THE MIRACLE WAS NOT ANNOUNCED.
Unlike the Joshua miracle, there was no change in time involved ? local or
global.
After a heavy rain, the clouds parted to reveal a multicolored Sun that grew
in size, spinning like a pinwheel, and appearing to be plunging toward earth.
Blinded and terrified, the crowd hid their eyes,expecting the end of the world.
When they opened their eyes, the Sun was in its normal position and all the
ground and clothes were dry ? as Phillip has said.
In modern times we have witnessed and recorded proof that our God is truly
omnipotent over all things, the Sun a mere plaything in His hands.
Now Robert has said:
As there were many secular unbelievers who were witnesses , it should be of
special interest to ALL geocentrists ...
Why of special interest? Apparently the significance of this miracle to the
GS vs HC debate has not been grasped.
Joshua?s day as a GS proof can be sidestepped by modernists by
misinterpreting the Bible, as above. No such deception works here?.
To use the same argument of a local change in Earth?s rotation requires that
the Fatima field and surrounding area start spinning and moving towards the
immobile Sun of the HC world, while the rest of the world continues rotating.
Now I think someone not at Fatima would have noticed this.
The Fatima miracle, performed before a mixed audience of 70,000, supports GS
more than Joshua?s day! Yet still they have no eyes to see!
The site of the miracle is close to some forum members, just across the
Channel from Britain ? has anyone bothered to research the veracity of the
claims made by Catholics but bearing the secular support of the 1917 European
newspapers?
If the effect was real, rather than mass hallucination caused by hyping
themselves up into a frenzy of expectation, then could it not have been
produced by the Devil?
This expected objection will be answered, for the benefit of the other
readers (if any), but there?s little hope for a true connection.
Dialogue is difficult when one party chooses to discard certain parts of
Revelation as true, as if Scripture were a huge buffet table , where one picks
only what truth is acceptable to swallow and avoids anything that gives
spiritual indigestion. Or finds conspiracies lurking under every rock.
Scepticism is often justified, but without any trust at all, it progresses to
cynicism and agnosticism.
This difficulty leads to passing up responses ? why bother? . At least PD is
consistent; we know that he swallows modern science mischief w/o question.
To claim this solar miracle was a mass hallucination , please explain:
How 70,000 people can all imagine the same phantasm?. Including children and
sceptics
How the physical effect of immediate drying is really a mass mental state (
it seems this physical proof was included to thwart the scoffers)
How the crowd knew what to hallucinate, if no advance notice of miracle type
was given?
Why the divine advice about testing for good and bad fruits ? given
previously ? doesn?t hold here
My reasoning would have been to do the opposite, which is why I am always
argueing with Him.
Philip.
So do I ? but I haven?t won an argument yet.
Robert.
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