Dear All, Some recent exchanges have once again become a little heated, and a little off track. For example, we really ought not to be making comments about a so-called, "Islamic tormentor." We should remember that the Ishmaelites are also decended from "God's friend," Abraham. It is a condition of this site that we primarily stick to the subject initially set forth, which is the scientific and Biblical discussion of geocentrism vs heliocentrism. Neville. "There is this great difference between the works of men and the works of God, that the same minute and searching investigation, which displays the defects and imperfections of the one, brings out also the beauties of the other." - Alexander Hislop, "The Two Babylons." Website www.midclyth.supanet.com --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!