Yes Peter. I will have to find the book from which I got the idea. Thats if there is any scripture.. Back soon. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: PETER CHARLTON To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Fw: Ben Stein Logic Hi Philip, Can you tell me the verses please that say Enoch will come back to convert the Gentiles and Elias the Jews please. Many thanks Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 6:03 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Fw: Ben Stein Logic I am glad that I do not make the JUDGEMENTS that you do Bernie. I as a Catholic know that in the last days, according to Biblical prophecy, Enoch to the gentiles, and Elias to the Jews, will come back to convert many. This cannot be denied, that the Jews , the real Jews will be reconciled to their true God, the Holy Trinity. I can do nothing less than pray that Stein is one such Jew who will eventually come to Jesus. What do you pray for, that he burns forever in Hell?... Then what becomes of this command of Jesus... "Forgive your enemies.... Am I surrounded by devils? God help ! Forgive me my sins.. Philip ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernie Brauer To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Fw: Ben Stein Logic Philip, Ben Stein admits to being "Jewish". What does this mean? It means he contributes money to his local Gang Clubhouse ( Synagogue ), which money finds its way to headquarters in Palestine ( "Israel" ) so they can afford to fly 200 bomb demolition experts on a private jet to New York and install explosives on each floor. Also did you know that a Cattle Man ( Goy ) was passed over for a job as a journalist so the Jew Stein could be preferentially hired. The Goy has less money now because of the hiring discrimination and has to cut back on Food, Clothing, Shelter AND NUMBER OF CHILDREN BORN ( can't afford another one ). Different process but same result as if a Baby Goy was killed - one less Goy in the World. And probably one new Jew Baby born to Steins family. These are invisible effects that nobody can trace back to the source of one person deciding to be or become a Talmudist. Talmudists also have their student loans erased, and income taxes owed erased, because they run those systems too. This has an effect on the Goy/Cattle fathers who now have an increased tax burden and as a result have to cut back on . . . . . . end --- On Thu, 12/18/08, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [geocentrism] Fw: Ben Stein Logic To: StThomasAquinas@xxxxxxxxxx, "ABCs of Faith www.abcsoffaith.com" <latonyk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ags@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "geocentrism list" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, TraditionalCatholicsUnited@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, governor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 3:35 PM Remember when I said be careful in how you condemn all Jews as being Satan and how Bernie contradicted me and said they were ALL to be so condemned.. Remember how I sent out a post concerning Ben Stein, a Jew, and his excellent documentary called "expelled ....." making foolish the theory of evolution and some who followed it.. Well have a read of some more "evil Jew" stuff... I liked this guy from the beginning. Subject: Fw: Remarks from CBS Sunday Morning (everyone should read!) I only hope we find God again before it is too late!! The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary. My confession: I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees.. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees. It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu .. If people want a crèche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away. I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat. Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to. In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking. Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding Katrina) Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?' In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK. Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK. Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves. Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.' Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace. Are you laughing yet? Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it. Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us. Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in. My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully, Ben Stein