woo whoo ...im glad to see me tooo..where in the world have i been?.... anyway i did want to say that i enjoyed the celestial poles video.. but would it be possible to demonstrate what that rotation would look like if HC ac were true ( from the earth prospective as well as outside the universe perspective) and how we could demonstrate/ show it photographically here on earth and then what we might expect to observe from say from the planet mars wich we kno is ging around the sun annualy ......or any other planet for that matter .....it might not spur scientist today but i think it will force someone to itch bad enough to maybe try to prove us wrong in the future. This weekend is a three day weekend for us so I wont be back “in full force” until Tuesday, but I’m glad we are back to the grindstone now. As for the idea of a earth based observer as the only physical bass for observation the argument is totally valid ..why ..because not only is the logical place to start and there are only imaginary observers on other worlds that observe the same relative motions that we do here , but infact as time has progressed and more observations have been made that whole idea is one of the points that can be shown with the celestial poles demonstration the relative motions we observe would not necessarily appear the same, I accept they could if the universe were wobbling annually to account for it but it could also be that a demonstration would prove that one way or the other. Further, only in ones wildest imagination can you even construed even the idea that the concentric distribution of mass patters around the earth would look the same from anywhere else in the universe that is not science that is imagination. ..so there really is no “scientific” reason for construing a rotational earth orbiting in some imaginary solar system, there never was, particularly when the only real observational post in the real universe is the earth from which we see not all smaller objects orbiting larger ones but in fact we observe that size of objects does not itself determine which one is orbiting which, any more then all small smaller gears in some clocks/gear sets rotate/ turn abound larger gears and visa versa……..everything else is just some imaginary set of rules that does not exist from the only real observation point in the universe without accepting some assumed interpretations and conclusions about imaginary observations on other worlds that has never been produced or conducted. ----- Original Message ---- From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2007 5:49:23 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Back to work I am pleased to welcome myself back to the forum. It is good to see me. Neville. Prevent accessing dangerous websites - Protect your computer with Free Web Security Guard! More information at www.inbox.com/wsg