I think I will shoot for the W/E of April 26, 27, 28th. for this trip. then we can all start arranging things, getting ducks in a row and stools assembled. I have spoken to Twin Rivers for camping and so far i can pick any campsites in the place. There are some killer sites along the river, but further from the can and showers. Or if we get wnough folks we could get a group site, but its further from the river, closer to the can. Tradeoffs... JoAnna will to go but will stay in camp and tend to camp things. I dont think she is wanting to go down the hill again. Discuss Glenn, St. Louis, Mo -----Original Message----- From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Glenn Nash Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:44 PM To: St. Louis Geocachers MailList Subject: [STL Geocaching] Upcoming trips, Wildcat Mtn and Misc stuff. With spring rapidly approaching some folks here in St. Louis have been thinking of another group trip before we run out of cool weather. A number of us have expressed a desire to head out for an assault on Wildcat mountain http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=1509. This cache is one of a trilogy of caches placed in the area by Butch. The other two are The Devils Tollgate http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=1510 and Mina Sauk Falls http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=1508. (Then there is the secret cache whose location is only known to a few) Butch describes the area: " This is a rugged off trail location that should only be attempted by hikers experienced with map and compass. There are no trails in the area, and steep climbs over broken rock is required. I recommend using the saddle between Taum Sauk Mountain and Wildcat Mountain in approaching the area. The saddle is located at N37.57324 W90.74273. The bluff is the home of the Devil of the Tollgate according to Indian legend. It is said that the voice of the Devil is carried in the wind and has been known to drive men insane if they are foolish enough to camp on the mountain top. The Wildcat cache is on of a triangle of three caches in the area. The others are, Mina Sauk Falls and Devils Tollgate". While it IS a tough hike it is not impossible. I went very prepared last time while Denali just flew in on his superman cape :-) . Combined with this hike, camping nearby is a good idea to get an EARLY start on the trail. I know of a great private campground in the area. Free hot showers, real bathrooms, washers, driers, free firewood and its right on the Black River. Also, depending on the weather in April, a nice relaxing float trip on the Black River would be a great way to kill some time and visit with friends. It is not the most challenging float in the state but it's a great way to sit and drink beers! There is a host of caches in the area for folks to look for on the way to/from also. Search nearest to Wildcat and you'll find 1 that is almost in the parking lot!! We were thinking on possible before the end of April to do this. If we wait too long it gets very HOT and the snake come out. We did this on May 26 last year and only saw 1 snake sunning on a rock. There are two USGS markers there, we can find them also. Reminds me, I should send in the several marker findings to the site for credit. Anybody have anything else they want to do sooner? What else is on ya'lls agenda? We did a few to day, yesterday and last night, in the dark, sans lights. Needless to say we couldn't see it when we got there but I went out with RGS and rectified that this morning easy enough. :-) OK, I've said enough, Discuss amongst yourselves now!! Glenn, St. Louis, Mo