I have to agree with Susan a bit here and play devil's advocate. This is an individual sport and if someone does claim to find a cache, or several caches and are not really doing so the only person who it really hurts is that person himself. If a runner claims to have made a 10 mile run today someplace and they really sat in their house all day - who does it hurt? If a person claims that they found an old jar of 100 quarters while metal detecting - who does it hurt? How many people check their caches log sheets to find out if someone actually signed the log or not? I wouldn't be surprised that we have people logging some caches when they didn't actually find (whether a DNF, abandon search, or didn't even go to the caches. I know some people don't figure out puzzle caches or find the final on multis without going to all of the waypoints - is this any worse? I understand this person was in the area over the weekend and in that area the claim of 100 or so caches is not outside the norm. I have to admit his logging is questionable due to repeated notes about not having a method to log. But has anyone thought of asking them if maybe they messed up their cut N paste logs? It's not like these particular caches didn't have several "Group" logs and people standing in lines to sign and so forth. _____ From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Susan Ring Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:22 AM To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Should he walk the plank? Please read this everybody. All right now, I admit I have only read the original post and a couple of the replies. BUT...I was at Mark Twain Lake this weekend. I SAW his name on logs in several of the caches we found while we were up there. I remember thinking, oh look, so-and-so was here yesterday. Now I admit, I don't quite understand the whole forgotten pen thing-maybe it was just a cut and paste log and he couldn't remember which ones he did sign. Anyway, perhaps we shouldn't be too hasty in drawing conclusions. :-) And perhaps an apology is in order? Susan On Nov 9, 2010, at 2:38 AM, Bill Shwen wrote: Is there a question here? 140 caches and not one pen or pencil anywhere... Makes me wonder how many other caches have been claimed by this couch cacher that they have never seen. Truly the only person this individual is hurting is them self. And now we all know that is person can not be trusted, how sad is that. --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Mr. President <mogamoga2010@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Mr. President <mogamoga2010@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [GeoStL] Should he walk the plank? To: "Geocaching Newsgroup" <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 8:42 AM It has come to my attention that a local cacher, a member of SLAGA, a friend to us all, and a member of this list, has logged over 140 finds in the past few days of all of the MOGA caches at Mark Twain Lake. On all 140 caches, he said he didn't have a pen so he couldn't sign the log book. Moga puts pencils in all of the caches. An easy remedy to this situation is for the cacher, himself, to delete all of the bogus finds. I have encouraged the MOGA staff NOT to delete them. Everyone plays this game his own way, be it ethical or not. My question to the group is, since MOGA'11 has a pirate theme, if he doesn't delete the logs and shows up at MOGA'11, SHOULD WE MAKE HIM WALK THE PLANK?