I did a couple of caches in and around Denver when I was there and one of the caches I did was a 2/2 ....Turned out to be on TOP of a local mountain and there was a 3 mile hike one way ,,,,,,we also had to put up with sage brush...rattlesnakes and BIG deer.....it was a neat cache and a lot of good pix but wow here it would have been a 4/4.....But there are some if you watch them close....we did one in Denver that was in a bird sanctuary that was flat and an easy walk. There were 2 or 3 in Rapid City that I did that were easy and not bad walks ...interesting things there too .....and I downloaded and wanted to do about 10 of them in Omaha that were city caches and and river caches Glenn <Glenn@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: - As you have discovered, the rating system (1-5... ) is very relative to what the locals have in mind and what they are used to. In Colorado, where everybody expects a walk up a hill, they might call a 2 mile walk up a hill a 2 because that is what they all are. "Nothing special, just a 2 mile walk up a hill". Around here, we would call it a 4 since we dont really see those kinds of hills. In the desert you could see a lot of "bring plenty of water and a 4x4 for this easy 2/2 cache and 4 mile walk." That would be a 4/5 , for long walk, special equipment, ect. So ya really have to take the ratings with a grain of salt and with the local environment in mind. Glenn I dont venture into the shark infested forums either. I have survived much better than most folks there. At 12:44 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote: >Ya Think?? ;+) > >We might not be the most prolific cachers, but I do read a LOT and >know better than to go to the forums and start or even join in on >most conversations there. Some of the forum regulars appear to live >for fresh meat. I do read the forums and pick up all the >interesting "gossip" and changes.. but to really join in .. no way. > >Did you get "markwelled" with a topic like rating systems? >Theoretically, there IS a rating system somewhere. There's a link >from the SLAGA site I believe. The problem I'm running into for a >vacation is that while a 1.5 - 2 terrain that includes a 4 mile >"walk" might be doable here, it's probably not a wise choice for US >on vacation -- unless there's a great payoff at the end. I'm not >finding a ton of those -- with a payoff. > >And, Bernie's PQ suggestion .. well ..that could eliminate some >nice caches that may or may not fit into our vacation plans. And, >without a nice description it would appear that even a "less than 1" >rating means something different in some areas than here. I looked >at one that was a 1 rating and pictures people posted showed a rocky >unpaved minimountain with captions like "Whew.. tough hill without >a path" "did this one after a rain and slid 30 feet into a >creek" It's very possible that the cache placers in that area not >as big of wimps as I am lol. I've run across quite a few >grandfathered caches that were placed by people visiting on >vacation. Geostandards have changed a bit in 4-5 years too. > >I've concluded that in this area we're better at describing the >terrain with one-legged pregnant cachers in mind. > **************************************** Our WebPage! Http://WWW.GeoStL.com Mail List Info. //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching Mail List FAQ's: //www.freelists.org/help/questions.html **************************************** To unsubscribe from this list: send an email to geocaching-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com