[GeoStL] Re: Etiquette, Racist Hate Message, and Glenn's Management of the list
- From: "glenn l nash" <glennnash@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:11:52 -0700
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**You** were not being censored. the list went into moderation mode to provent
the continuation of the nonsesence that you still continue. All your posts will
now be moderated.
If the discussion continues, the whole list will return to moderated status.
when are you going to learn that this is OFF LIST....
gln
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:21:35
Jim Bensman wrote:
>-
>
>My last message went through unimpeded, so I am hopeful this one can get
>through without being secretly censored.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dan Eubanks
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 9:08 AM
>> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Etiquette
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>> What have we come to when "God Bless America" is controversial?
>>
>> Dan
>
>Bernie's, "NCR--Statement well said!" was racists hate speech under the
>banner of God and country. It was the racist hate message that was the
>problem. I have friends who are of native American descent who value and
>honor their heritage and culture. His message was reminiscent of the
>racists in the 60s who were suggesting the descendants of slaves who were
>not happy with the way the KKK was treating them should go back to Africa.
>
>I found it very offensive for Bernie and Reeves to be suggesting native
>Americans who value their heritage and culture (including my friends) and
>new citizens should go to another country. It is particularly offensive and
>racist to be saying this to native Americans. After all this land was
>stolen from them and their ancestors were slaughter and murdered by
>Christians in the name of God. What's worse all of their heritage and
>sacred sites are in this country.
>
>I completely agree with the sentiment that this list should be about
>geocaching and these kinds of things should not be on this list. Racists
>hate speech is what fueled Hitler and the KKK. I cannot and will not be
>quite when people spew racist hate speech-no matter how subtle or under the
>banner of God and the flag. People have a moral obligation to stand up to
>these kind of people.
>
>The netiquette guidelines Glen posted stated:
>
>"If a fellow member is not following these guidelines, is not employing
>proper netiquette, or has otherwise posted something you find offensive or
>in bad taste, etc., please do not post complaints to the newsgroup or send
>complaints to the member. Please address any complaints or concerns to the
>administrator as described below."
>
>I complained to Glenn about the offensive and racist nature of the message
>and his response to me was, "Not interested, take it to another list, or off
>list to discuss it...."
>
>Additionally, it appears while Glenn sent a message to the list that stated:
>
>> Want to than everyone for the maturity in recognizing what topics
>> are considered "off List" here. I really havent seen the
>> continued discussions of things that have no place on this list
>> like in the past.
>>
>> I guess y'all are using your common sense and realized that
>> generally, politics, religion, some brands of batteries are just
>> to volitile to discuss on a geocaching list and kept the nonsence
>> down to a tollerable three notes. Good work for taking such
>> things to private email. I guess most folks have a seperate list
>> for politics and the like..
>
>he was secretly censoring my response to the racist messages. I sent a
>message in response to Glenn's message joking message about Reeves agreeing
>with the racist hate speech. It has never come through. The next morning I
>sent a message in response to Reeves. It has never come through. After
>Glenn sent his test message in the morning, I emailed him my messages were
>not going through. I sent my Vista rubber strip message and it did not go
>through. I emailed Glenn again. The vista message went through hours
>latter minutes after he sent me his response to my complaint abut the
>offensive and racist nature of Bernie's message. So I suspect he was
>secretly blocking my messages. So I sent him a message yesterday asking if
>he was blocking my message he has not answered. So I do not know for sure
>if he had secretly changed my settings to allow him to censor what I say or
>if this was just some strange coiendence.
>
>Glenn, if you were not secretly censoring my messages, you should have
>responded to my multiple messages asking you about it.
>
>If you were secretly censoring my messages, I think you were way out of
>line. If you are doing something like this, I feel you should tell the list
>and the person. A list manager should not be able to secretly censor
>people. There should also be some kind of appeals process to SLAGA. I
>would also point out in this instance you were involved as you posted a wise
>crack about one of the racist messages. So that makes secretly censoring
>people in such an instance even worse.
>
>Also, if you were in fact secretly censoring my messages, your timing was
>completely inappropriate. A racists hate message went through, someone said
>how outstanding it was, you made a wise crack, I responded to the racist
>message, Reeves made another BS response, then I was blocked from
>responding. As I told you in my compliant about the message, instead of
>responding with a wise crack, you should have respond with this kind of
>stuff has no place on this list.
>
>I think SLAGA should practice tolerance for all people. I will not be a
>part of any group that tolerates racist hate speech.
>
>
>FYI, here are the key parts of Bernie's message:
>
>There are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and
>apparently some native Americans, need to understand. * * * This idea of
>America being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our
>sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own
>culture, our own society, our own language, and our own lifestyle. * * * I
>highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom:
>THE RIGHT TO LEAVE!
>
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