[frgeek-michiana] mouse balls
- From: john jones <rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:57:55 -0800 (PST)
good luck with that
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From: chuq jackels <chuq00@xxxxxxxxx>
To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 9:52:25 PM
Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers AND TUESDAY
If anyone knows where we can locate some mice balls then we would be doing a
lot better! I think we have about 30-50 mice without balls..??? I do not
understand why we have so many ball-less mice but we do! I will try to look on
ebay and see if by chance someone has a bunch of mice balls CHEAP.
But I doubt that will be a find!
Chuq
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:16 AM, john jones <rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
if your talking about those white compaq p3s in the gaylord i can tell u right
now theyer junk i might of got 1 or 2 to work but alot of them have a battery
problem tried putting new batterys in them and they still wouldnt work right or
load,but someone with a little more expirience might be able to get them to
work...................
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From: Richard Zimmerman <csxt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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>To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 11:52:25 PM
>Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Volunteers AND TUESDAY
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>FGM tends to follow the mothership's philosophy for handling green
>volunteers. The ones the do have some computer experience goes to
>loading because they already have an understanding of computers to
>where someone has no experience goes to deman to take apart computers
>and learn about them at the same time.
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>>One would think just taking a newbie to deman could be taken as 'were
>just getting them out of the way'. Exactly WRONG. With the right
>teacher, they:
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>>1) LOSE THEIR FEAR of computers because they are working on them from
>second one
>>2) If they break something, who cares - were recycling it already
>>3) They learn about recycling as they LEARN about computer components
>> ** You have to understand the components on a part to correctly
>deman it **
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>>As they gain basic knowledge, they move to the eval and testing tables.
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>>4) They learn to determine if something works or not (Eval)
>>5) In testing, they learn to find specifically what is wrong and repair
>it
>>6) Learn *IF* it's worth the trouble to fix or not
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>>Finally, they move to the load tables...
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>>7) Software... The hardest part...
>> 7a: Software is easy
>> 7b: Internet is crazy
>> 7c: Teaching the difference between a hardware, software, internet
>issue That's the tough part.
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>>I do agree. Getting them in the door is the easy part. Demonstrating to
>them:
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>>8) Returning the system to those in need is a good thing
>>9) Free Software (more importantly freedom of choice) is very important
>>10) Good comes from what were doing at all levels.
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>>In reference to it's easier training someone w/ experience then an
>newbie. That will always be true. We as an organization have to get
>better at taking newbies under our wings and training them. If they do
>not feel self worth in what they are doing, they will not return. I've
>been doing computers for 31-32 years now. Everyday I learn something
>new about them. EVEN in the old systems we work with.
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>>*** EXPANDING THE SUBJECT ***
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>> For Tuesday (and for quite a while) Make sure your wearing clothing
>that you do not care if they get ruined or not. As we work through the
>old stuff you will get very dirty.
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>> The primary function right now is getting 16 systems together by
>early February. Tom needs them for TWO classes in February and since
>were taking volunteers now (Yeah!) we also need to make sure were
>building a reserve stock to meet their needs as they reach 16 hours.
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>> Why haven't we taken volunteers before now? Most only want to
>deman, load or test systems. We had to setup, prep and find everything
>they need to do their jobs. Chuq reported he finally found mice. That
>was the last needed piece to get loading going. WE STILL NEED MICE. We
>will always need mice. We'll probably end up buying some at some point.
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>> Testing needs it's lights hung up and power strips located.
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>> Evaluation needs a light hung up and power strip located.
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>> We need to get the Internet going. (Need to remember to email Tom,
>Comcrap not working again) Hey Comcast (Comcrap) Your favorite Linux
>distro, Postfix, Clamav, Spamassassin <<-- Enough said! (Seems
>I'm missing something there??????)
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>> As of last Tuesday, I had ONE system capable of being wiped and
>installed. The drive wipe got done, it's ready for loading. There is a
>half a gaylord that needs going through to see if we have got QUALIFIED
>candidate systems for Freeboxes. The gaylord I pulled is badly
>mislabeled and very old stuff. Many of those systems were capable but
>need new CD-ROM's in them. Those are sitting on the testing table.
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>> Deman, testing (repairs in this case) evaluation and loading
>positions all have something to do Tuesday.
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>> We have pleanty of computers, monitors, power cords and keyboards.
>Mice are thin at best. We have plenty of spare parts to fix the systems
>that can be repaired easily. Basket cases go to deman.
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>> I need to get some sleep...
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>> Richard
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>>On 01/17/2010 9:25 PM, Phil Goldbach wrote:
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>I don't think getting people to show up once is a
>>problem, either. The hard part is getting them to come back, because we
>>had a lot of people who'd show up once and they'd never show back up
>>again.
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>>>>It is better to only have a few show up at a time because once there is
>>quite a few people it does get a bit hard to train them all and find
>>something for everyone to do. Not to mention we're going to have people
>>who'd prefer to learn how to install or deman, so the extra deman table
>>is probably going to have to be built soon if we're going to bring in
>>new volunteers. In addition, we're probably going to have people who
>>have little or no experience to those with experience on computers.
>>It's always been easier to train those who do have experience than
>>those who don't in my opinion. Although I was thinking that it might be
>>best if we had a couple blank pieces of extra wood to mount a
>>motherboard, AGP/PCI video cards, NIC cards, and RAM, have it labeled
>>to use a reference in showing new volunteers. There's also the guide to
>>installing Vector 5.9 that I wrote up that is on the warehouse server.
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>>>>And in case you all didn't know, the SBWD (South Bend Waste Disposal)
>>facility on Fifth Street in Mishawaka is now into recycling computers
>>and electronics. It's $12 for large items, like TVs. Businesses may
>>drop off with prior permission from the district, according to the
>>little flier. Not sure if that's something the board might want to
>>consider as a spot to help get rid of some of our excess junk that
>>either won't go to eBay or we can't really recycle ourselves.
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>>>>Phil Goldbach
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>>>>"Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
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>>>>--- On Sun, 1/17/10, john jones <rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx> >>wrote:
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>>>>>>From: john jones <rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers
>>>>>>To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 5:01 PM
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>>>I dont think getting voulenters is gonna be an issue as
>>>before theres word of mouth friends are gonna tell theyre friends ect
>>>ect ect and we still may have an over abundance of people anyways,, and
>>>im sorry if somebody comes through that door wanting to earn a computer
>>>for theyre kid,or unemployment or whatever have you,, im not gonna tell
>>>them no,im gonna find them something to do to where they can earn a
>>>computer because thats what we do,, and thats what were all
>>>about............
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From: >>>Phil Goldbach <shadowvar8541@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Sent: Sun,
>>>January 17, 2010 3:03:34 AM
>>>Subject: >>>[frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers
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>>>For those of you interested, there is a projector in the
>>>works that projects a TOUCHscreen! Link is
>>>here:
>>>http://www.switched.com/2010/01/08/light-touch-pico-projector-creates-touchscreen-out-of-anything?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget
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>>>>>>Looks pretty cool, although it's still in development and release date
>>>is unknown.
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>>>>>>I do see one or two potential problems with setting up kiosks for
>>>SJCPL.
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>>>>>>1-Kind of obvious, but since these kiosks are going to have Linux on
>>>them, then at least one or two volunteers will have to be present to
>>>help with any questions.
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>>>>>>2-The people filing for unemployment may expect someone from WorkOne to
>>>be able to help them, and I do believe the news article in the South
>>>Bend Tribune said there wasn't always one on hand.
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>>>>>>I'd be willing to come on a more regular basis if we get more
>>>volunteers in. If so, in order to help co-ordinate new volunteers, I do
>>>have a few two-way radios that I'd be willing to let FGM borrow. This
>>>would work out well instead of saying having to always run back and
>>>forth between the work area and storage area, also saves on cell phone
>>>usage, even though we are all basically "right there". I'd also need
>>>transportation on those nights, I'm sure I could work something out
>>>with Chuq for Thursdays, but if I'm needed also on Tuesdays, then I am
>>>sure I can figure something out for that as well, maybe I can talk my
>>>girlfriend into coming and helping, lol.
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>Phil Goldbach
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>>>>>>"Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
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>>>>>>--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Chuq <chuq00@xxxxxxxxx> >>>wrote:
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>>>>>>>>From: Chuq <chuq00@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers
>>>>>>>>To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 9:30 PM
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>>>>Read further into the post,
>>>>unless it did not go through for some reason.. So here it is:
>>>>>>>>"How ever we go about advertising for volunteers I think the biggest
>>>>thing for us to do is to make sure that they contact Goose or myself
>>>>first so we can make sure that we do not have an over abundance of
>>>>people on one night and none on the next, plus we don't want 18 people
>>>>showing up at one time on any given night.. just too many new faces for
>>>>us to supervise.
>>>>>>>>I am trying to get a Google voice number for people to call so that way
>>>>I can return their calls, and also leave some information on the voice
>>>>mail about it, but unfortunately the 574 area is quite expansive and I
>>>>am not finding anything that is "local" I am finding numbers for Royal
>>>>Center Galveston Logansport Akron Walton which are all 574 it is just
>>>>that they may be faced with a toll call but most people have a cell
>>>>phone anyways. Plus we can give them an email address to reply to. I
>>>>feel that is going to be the best bet. You know we can only go so far
>>>>to make things easy on the people if they have to incur a small charge
>>>>to get the info then that is what it will have to be. I will grab a
>>>>number and post it when it is ready, and Goose if you could make us up
>>>>an email address say volunteer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>and give you and me
>>>>access to it (and anyone else who would need it to
>>>>field volunteers) or maybe have that email automatically forward the
>>>>messages to us.
>>>>>>>>Let me know before I pick a phone number if that sounds good to you..
>>>>>>>>The Flier once it is made can say Call, Email, or TXT us at and then
>>>>give the appropriate info..
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>>>>>>>>Just a thought. Once we make actual contact with the people we can then
>>>>tell them the location of the building. On the flier we can put in the
>>>>days and time and say that we are near Downtown South Bend, and Bus
>>>>accessible.
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>>>>>>>>If someone wants to work on a rough draft of the flier and send it to
>>>>us that would be great! We can always fill in the information needed.
>>>>>>>>Printing should not be an issue, Goose has the printer at the warehouse
>>>>ready to go I believe. I think we still need to find th color printer,
>>>>which probably would be a nice thing to use for the fliers.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chuq"
>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 20:45 -0500, Richard Zimmerman wrote:
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>>>>What phone numbers are these?
>>>>>>>>>>I've noticed, they are all long distance numbers. Less then
>>>>>>>>>>desirable...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On 01/16/2010 2:19 PM, Chuq wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I think right now if we
>>>>>>can have 8-10 volunteers a night we will be good.. The biggest issue I
>>>>>>see is that along with Goose and myself it would be really handy to
>>>>>>have a seasoned volunteer in there with us so they can help with
>>>>>>direction and overseeing...
>>>>>>>>>>>>BTW Here is a sample list of numbers I found for us to use, any
>>>>>>suggestions on it would be great!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Royal Center, IN (574) 643-1FGM ** Chuq's #1 pick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM6
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM3
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>>>>>>>>>>>>Logansport, IN (574) 516-2FGM
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>>>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM9 ** Chuq's #2 pick
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Walton, IN (574) 626-8FGM
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>>>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM2
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>>>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM4
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>>>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-3FGM
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>>>>>>>>>>>>Lucerne, IN (574) 889-0FGM
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>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuq
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>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 10:44 -0800, john jones wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>or they can be on
>>>>>>>someone elses puter looking for a puter,to relieve the congestion and
>>>>>>>traffic i really think we should set a par on how many voulenteres we
>>>>>>>bring in cuz more then likely as b4 once they put in theyre hours and
>>>>>>>get theyre free box more then likely theyll be gone unless of course
>>>>>>>something goes wrong with it....
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>From:>>>>>>>Chuq <chuq00@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>To:frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>Sent:>>>>>>>Sat, January 16, 2010 1:18:51 PM
>>>>>>>Subject:[frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Plus with Craig's list they already have a computer, now granted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>might know someone who could benefit from FGM but I think the better
>>>>>>>idea is Toms with passing out flyer's.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuq
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 10:32 -0500, Richard Zimmerman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thieves looking for an easy hit...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just sayin...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Goose
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 01/16/2010 10:20 AM, Tom Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think advertizing for volunteers on Craigslist is an excellent
>>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also think it is good to coordinate with Chuq and Goose.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We might want to pass out flyers about FGM at the public library on
>>>>>>>>> Sundays as well. There are a lot of unemployed people who might be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> interested in volunteering to have something productive to do and
>>>>>>>>> obtain a computer and training in the process.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> john jones wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I can put an add on craigslist but i can almost guarenttee you when
>>>>>>>>>> i
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>>>>>>>>>> do theyre gonna be lined up at the door mostly because of the
>>>>>>>>>> unemployment computer crisis thats goin on,at the other warehouse it
>>>>>>>>>> was pretty easy because we had unlimited space,unfortunately we dont
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> have that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> luxury
>>>>>>>> at SBWD so if we get 20 volunters what are they
>>>>>>>>>> gonna do? we really should prob wait until at least Feb when we are
>>>>>>>>>> cleanned up and have internet and a gameplan,its really up to yall,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> though is open for input..................
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Fri, January 15, 2010 11:15:53 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [frgeek-michiana] Re: Warehouse Report
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hardinfo
>>>>>>>>>> http://hardinfo.berlios.de/HomePage
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think hardinfo is bootable so you would need a live CD with
>>>>>>>>>> hardinfo installed. Perhaps DSL live, RescueCD or Slax could be a
>>>>>>>>>> base, the lighter the better. I'm not sure how hardinfo reacts to
>>>>>>>>>> proprietary OS's.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you want to see hardinfo in action, boot up VL 6.0 Std, click on
>>>>>>>>>> Menu > System > System Profiler and Benchmark. Or check out a screen
>>>>>>>>>> cast at http://wiki.hardinfo.org/Screencast.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chuq wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > Well tonight was a pretty good night.. Present were Phil, Dan &
>>>>>>>>>> Chuq. Kevin stopped by with a donation of 2 hard drives.
>>>>>>>>>> > Dan hung the lights over the
>>>>>>>> deman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> table.
>>>>>>>>>> > Dan, Phil and myself searched for mice, and we found some.. found
>>>>>>>>>> more that were ball-less though!
>>>>>>>>>> > Phil & I started sorting through stuff.. We have a gaylord that is
>>>>>>>>>> declared Ebay for everything that we are not going to use.
>>>>>>>>>> > Phil & I started sorting through the optical drives and getting
>>>>>>>>>> those organized.
>>>>>>>>>> > We then started working on hard drives.
>>>>>>>>>> > We managed to locate the VL 5.9 disks and the deban disks, so we
>>>>>>>>>> now have 6 sets for the load table.
>>>>>>>>>> > I am going to look into the floppy disk assest manager program
>>>>>>>>>> > that
>>>>>>>>>> has been tossed around the board for a while (hint if Mike or anyone
>>>>>>>>>> else has the link readily available please send it) so we can start
>>>>>>>>>> cataloging the systems.
>>>>>>>>>> > We need some more volunteers! We are ready to
>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> loading.
>>>>>>>>>> > Ideally I think we need 1 person on loading, 2 or 3 on deman and 2
>>>>>>>>>> or 3 on organizing and possibly another to go through some of the
>>>>>>>>>> stuff in the storage area.
>>>>>>>>>> > So if anyone knows of some people ready and willing to volunteer
>>>>>>>>>> > we
>>>>>>>>>> sure could use them!
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Chuq
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Ohh BTW we need some TP for the warehouse... it seems that someone
>>>>>>>>>> used the last of it and did not replace the roll!
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>--
>>>>>Richard "Goose" Zimmerman, ke4rit
>>>>>Mishawaka, IN
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>Richard "Goose" Zimmerman, ke4rit
>Mishawaka, IN
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