[frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers AND TUESDAY
- From: john jones <rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:34:14 -0800 (PST)
thank god i know how to load then, i just need more practice at testing and
running the root codes....
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From: Richard Zimmerman <csxt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 11:52:25 PM
Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Volunteers AND TUESDAY
FGM tends to follow the mothership's philosophy for handling green
volunteers. The ones the do have some computer experience goes to
loading because they already have an understanding of computers to
where someone has no experience goes to deman to take apart computers
and learn about them at the same time.
One would think just taking a newbie to deman could be taken as 'were
just getting them out of the way'. Exactly WRONG. With the right
teacher, they:
1) LOSE THEIR FEAR of computers because they are working on them from
second one
2) If they break something, who cares - were recycling it already
3) They learn about recycling as they LEARN about computer components
** You have to understand the components on a part to correctly
deman it **
As they gain basic knowledge, they move to the eval and testing tables.
4) They learn to determine if something works or not (Eval)
5) In testing, they learn to find specifically what is wrong and repair
it
6) Learn *IF* it's worth the trouble to fix or not
Finally, they move to the load tables...
7) Software... The hardest part...
7a: Software is easy
7b: Internet is crazy
7c: Teaching the difference between a hardware, software, internet
issue That's the tough part.
I do agree. Getting them in the door is the easy part. Demonstrating to
them:
8) Returning the system to those in need is a good thing
9) Free Software (more importantly freedom of choice) is very important
10) Good comes from what were doing at all levels.
In reference to it's easier training someone w/ experience then an
newbie. That will always be true. We as an organization have to get
better at taking newbies under our wings and training them. If they do
not feel self worth in what they are doing, they will not return. I've
been doing computers for 31-32 years now. Everyday I learn something
new about them. EVEN in the old systems we work with.
*** EXPANDING THE SUBJECT ***
For Tuesday (and for quite a while) Make sure your wearing clothing
that you do not care if they get ruined or not. As we work through the
old stuff you will get very dirty.
The primary function right now is getting 16 systems together by
early February. Tom needs them for TWO classes in February and since
were taking volunteers now (Yeah!) we also need to make sure were
building a reserve stock to meet their needs as they reach 16 hours.
Why haven't we taken volunteers before now? Most only want to
deman, load or test systems. We had to setup, prep and find everything
they need to do their jobs. Chuq reported he finally found mice. That
was the last needed piece to get loading going. WE STILL NEED MICE. We
will always need mice. We'll probably end up buying some at some point.
Testing needs it's lights hung up and power strips located.
Evaluation needs a light hung up and power strip located.
We need to get the Internet going. (Need to remember to email Tom,
Comcrap not working again) Hey Comcast (Comcrap) Your favorite Linux
distro, Postfix, Clamav, Spamassassin <<-- Enough said! (Seems
I'm missing something there??????)
As of last Tuesday, I had ONE system capable of being wiped and
installed. The drive wipe got done, it's ready for loading. There is a
half a gaylord that needs going through to see if we have got QUALIFIED
candidate systems for Freeboxes. The gaylord I pulled is badly
mislabeled and very old stuff. Many of those systems were capable but
need new CD-ROM's in them. Those are sitting on the testing table.
Deman, testing (repairs in this case) evaluation and loading
positions all have something to do Tuesday.
We have pleanty of computers, monitors, power cords and keyboards.
Mice are thin at best. We have plenty of spare parts to fix the systems
that can be repaired easily. Basket cases go to deman.
I need to get some sleep...
Richard
On 01/17/2010 9:25 PM, Phil Goldbach wrote:
I don't think getting people to show up once is a
>problem, either. The hard part is getting them to come back, because we
>had a lot of people who'd show up once and they'd never show back up
>again.
>
>>It is better to only have a few show up at a time because once there is
>quite a few people it does get a bit hard to train them all and find
>something for everyone to do. Not to mention we're going to have people
>who'd prefer to learn how to install or deman, so the extra deman table
>is probably going to have to be built soon if we're going to bring in
>new volunteers. In addition, we're probably going to have people who
>have little or no experience to those with experience on computers.
>It's always been easier to train those who do have experience than
>those who don't in my opinion. Although I was thinking that it might be
>best if we had a couple blank pieces of extra wood to mount a
>motherboard, AGP/PCI video cards, NIC cards, and RAM, have it labeled
>to use a reference in showing new volunteers. There's also the guide to
>installing Vector 5.9 that I wrote up that is on the warehouse server.
>
>>And in case you all didn't know, the SBWD (South Bend Waste Disposal)
>facility on Fifth Street in Mishawaka is now into recycling computers
>and electronics. It's $12 for large items, like TVs. Businesses may
>drop off with prior permission from the district, according to the
>little flier. Not sure if that's something the board might want to
>consider as a spot to help get rid of some of our excess junk that
>either won't go to eBay or we can't really recycle ourselves.
>
>>Phil Goldbach
>
>>"Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
>
>>--- On Sun, 1/17/10, john jones <rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx> >wrote:
>
>
>>>>From: john jones <rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers
>>>>To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 5:01 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>I dont think getting voulenters is gonna be an issue as
>>before theres word of mouth friends are gonna tell theyre friends ect
>>ect ect and we still may have an over abundance of people anyways,, and
>>im sorry if somebody comes through that door wanting to earn a computer
>>for theyre kid,or unemployment or whatever have you,, im not gonna tell
>>them no,im gonna find them something to do to where they can earn a
>>computer because thats what we do,, and thats what were all
>>about............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
________________________________
From: >>Phil Goldbach <shadowvar8541@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Sun,
>>January 17, 2010 3:03:34 AM
>>Subject: >>[frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers
>>
>>
>>For those of you interested, there is a projector in the
>>works that projects a TOUCHscreen! Link is
>>here:
>>http://www.switched.com/2010/01/08/light-touch-pico-projector-creates-touchscreen-out-of-anything?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget
>>
>>
>>>>Looks pretty cool, although it's still in development and release date
>>is unknown.
>>
>>
>>>>I do see one or two potential problems with setting up kiosks for
>>SJCPL.
>>
>>>>1-Kind of obvious, but since these kiosks are going to have Linux on
>>them, then at least one or two volunteers will have to be present to
>>help with any questions.
>>
>>>>2-The people filing for unemployment may expect someone from WorkOne to
>>be able to help them, and I do believe the news article in the South
>>Bend Tribune said there wasn't always one on hand.
>>
>>>>I'd be willing to come on a more regular basis if we get more
>>volunteers in. If so, in order to help co-ordinate new volunteers, I do
>>have a few two-way radios that I'd be willing to let FGM borrow. This
>>would work out well instead of saying having to always run back and
>>forth between the work area and storage area, also saves on cell phone
>>usage, even though we are all basically "right there". I'd also need
>>transportation on those nights, I'm sure I could work something out
>>with Chuq for Thursdays, but if I'm needed also on Tuesdays, then I am
>>sure I can figure something out for that as well, maybe I can talk my
>>girlfriend into coming and helping, lol.
>>
>>>>
>>>>Phil Goldbach
>>
>>>>"Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
>>
>>>>--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Chuq <chuq00@xxxxxxxxx> >>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>From: Chuq <chuq00@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers
>>>>>>To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 9:30 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>Read further into the post,
>>>unless it did not go through for some reason.. So here it is:
>>>>>>"How ever we go about advertising for volunteers I think the biggest
>>>thing for us to do is to make sure that they contact Goose or myself
>>>first so we can make sure that we do not have an over abundance of
>>>people on one night and none on the next, plus we don't want 18 people
>>>showing up at one time on any given night.. just too many new faces for
>>>us to supervise.
>>>>>>I am trying to get a Google voice number for people to call so that way
>>>I can return their calls, and also leave some information on the voice
>>>mail about it, but unfortunately the 574 area is quite expansive and I
>>>am not finding anything that is "local" I am finding numbers for Royal
>>>Center Galveston Logansport Akron Walton which are all 574 it is just
>>>that they may be faced with a toll call but most people have a cell
>>>phone anyways. Plus we can give them an email address to reply to. I
>>>feel that is going to be the best bet. You know we can only go so far
>>>to make things easy on the people if they have to incur a small charge
>>>to get the info then that is what it will have to be. I will grab a
>>>number and post it when it is ready, and Goose if you could make us up
>>>an email address say volunteer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>and give you and me
>>>access to it (and anyone else who would need it to
>>>field volunteers) or maybe have that email automatically forward the
>>>messages to us.
>>>>>>Let me know before I pick a phone number if that sounds good to you..
>>>>>>The Flier once it is made can say Call, Email, or TXT us at and then
>>>give the appropriate info..
>>>
>>>>>>Just a thought. Once we make actual contact with the people we can then
>>>tell them the location of the building. On the flier we can put in the
>>>days and time and say that we are near Downtown South Bend, and Bus
>>>accessible.
>>>
>>>>>>If someone wants to work on a rough draft of the flier and send it to
>>>us that would be great! We can always fill in the information needed.
>>>>>>Printing should not be an issue, Goose has the printer at the warehouse
>>>ready to go I believe. I think we still need to find th color printer,
>>>which probably would be a nice thing to use for the fliers.
>>>
>>>>>>Chuq"
>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 20:45 -0500, Richard Zimmerman wrote:
>>>
>>>What phone numbers are these?
>>>>>>>>I've noticed, they are all long distance numbers. Less then desirable...
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 01/16/2010 2:19 PM, Chuq wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I think right now if we
>>>>>can have 8-10 volunteers a night we will be good.. The biggest issue I
>>>>>see is that along with Goose and myself it would be really handy to
>>>>>have a seasoned volunteer in there with us so they can help with
>>>>>direction and overseeing...
>>>>>>>>>>BTW Here is a sample list of numbers I found for us to use, any
>>>>>suggestions on it would be great!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Royal Center, IN (574) 643-1FGM ** Chuq's #1 pick
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM6
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM3
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Logansport, IN (574) 516-2FGM
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM9 ** Chuq's #2 pick
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Walton, IN (574) 626-8FGM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM4
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-3FGM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Lucerne, IN (574) 889-0FGM
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Chuq
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 10:44 -0800, john jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>or they can be on
>>>>>>someone elses puter looking for a puter,to relieve the congestion and
>>>>>>traffic i really think we should set a par on how many voulenteres we
>>>>>>bring in cuz more then likely as b4 once they put in theyre hours and
>>>>>>get theyre free box more then likely theyll be gone unless of course
>>>>>>something goes wrong with it....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>From:>>>>>>Chuq <chuq00@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>To:frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>Sent:>>>>>>Sat, January 16, 2010 1:18:51 PM
>>>>>>Subject:[frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Plus with Craig's list they already have a computer, now granted
>>>>>>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>might know someone who could benefit from FGM but I think the better
>>>>>>idea is Toms with passing out flyer's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuq
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 10:32 -0500, Richard Zimmerman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thieves looking for an easy hit...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just sayin...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Goose
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 01/16/2010 10:20 AM, Tom Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think advertizing for volunteers on Craigslist is an excellent idea.
>>>>>>>> I also think it is good to coordinate with Chuq and Goose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We might want to pass out flyers about FGM at the public library on
>>>>>>>> Sundays as well. There are a lot of unemployed people who might be
>>>>>>>> interested in volunteering to have something productive to do and
>>>>>>>> obtain a computer and training in the process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> john jones wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I can put an add on craigslist but i can almost guarenttee you when i
>>>>>>>>> do theyre gonna be lined up at the door mostly because of the
>>>>>>>>> unemployment computer crisis thats goin on,at the other warehouse it
>>>>>>>>> was pretty easy because we had unlimited space,unfortunately we dont
>>>>>>>>> have that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> luxury
>>>>>>> at SBWD so if we get 20 volunters what are they
>>>>>>>>> gonna do? we really should prob wait until at least Feb when we are
>>>>>>>>> cleanned up and have internet and a gameplan,its really up to yall,
>>>>>>>>> though is open for input..................
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> *To:* frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Fri, January 15, 2010 11:15:53 AM
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [frgeek-michiana] Re: Warehouse Report
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hardinfo
>>>>>>>>> http://hardinfo.berlios.de/HomePage
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think hardinfo is bootable so you would need a live CD with
>>>>>>>>> hardinfo installed. Perhaps DSL live, RescueCD or Slax could be a
>>>>>>>>> base, the lighter the better. I'm not sure how hardinfo reacts to
>>>>>>>>> proprietary OS's.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you want to see hardinfo in action, boot up VL 6.0 Std, click on
>>>>>>>>> Menu > System > System Profiler and Benchmark. Or check out a screen
>>>>>>>>> cast at http://wiki.hardinfo.org/Screencast.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chuq wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > Well tonight was a pretty good night.. Present were Phil, Dan &
>>>>>>>>> Chuq. Kevin stopped by with a donation of 2 hard drives.
>>>>>>>>> > Dan hung the lights over the
>>>>>>> deman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> table.
>>>>>>>>> > Dan, Phil and myself searched for mice, and we found some.. found
>>>>>>>>> more that were ball-less though!
>>>>>>>>> > Phil & I started sorting through stuff.. We have a gaylord that is
>>>>>>>>> declared Ebay for everything that we are not going to use.
>>>>>>>>> > Phil & I started sorting through the optical drives and getting
>>>>>>>>> those organized.
>>>>>>>>> > We then started working on hard drives.
>>>>>>>>> > We managed to locate the VL 5.9 disks and the deban disks, so we
>>>>>>>>> now have 6 sets for the load table.
>>>>>>>>> > I am going to look into the floppy disk assest manager program that
>>>>>>>>> has been tossed around the board for a while (hint if Mike or anyone
>>>>>>>>> else has the link readily available please send it) so we can start
>>>>>>>>> cataloging the systems.
>>>>>>>>> > We need some more volunteers! We are ready to
>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> loading.
>>>>>>>>> > Ideally I think we need 1 person on loading, 2 or 3 on deman and 2
>>>>>>>>> or 3 on organizing and possibly another to go through some of the
>>>>>>>>> stuff in the storage area.
>>>>>>>>> > So if anyone knows of some people ready and willing to volunteer we
>>>>>>>>> sure could use them!
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Chuq
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Ohh BTW we need some TP for the warehouse... it seems that someone
>>>>>>>>> used the last of it and did not replace the roll!
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Richard "Goose" Zimmerman, ke4rit
>>>>Mishawaka, IN
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Richard "Goose" Zimmerman, ke4rit
Mishawaka, IN
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