Alright, I've just knocked up some examples of the kind of thing I'd prefer; they're up on my homepage: 80x80 Logo: http://home.comcast.net/~cheeb2002/logo_80x80-dodge-high.png http://home.comcast.net/~cheeb2002/logo_80x80-dodge-mid.png http://home.comcast.net/~cheeb2002/logo_80x80-dodge-shad.png Site Logo: http://home.comcast.net/~cheeb2002/logo-burn-1.png http://home.comcast.net/~cheeb2002/logo-burn-2.png http://home.comcast.net/~cheeb2002/logo-burn-3.png http://home.comcast.net/~cheeb2002/logo-burn-4.png -- J. Jensen