Re: [foxboro] DM on IA v8.2
- From: <tom.vandewater@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:57:29 -0400
Jim and Brian,
We haven't heard that rumor but it wouldn't be surprising to us.
Our plan has been to migrate all of our controllers, associated boot
hosts, and Foxboro applications from nodebus/carrierband to Ver.8.X but
leaving our older Sun WP51 boxes at Ver.6.2.1 on a nodebus that is
connected to the MESH via ATS. In this way we will continue using DM's
and remote DM's to meet our display needs without having to pay new
license fees for DM?/Foxview at Version 8.x.
I would consider paying new license fees for an HMI, if the HMI
functionality actually provided some new value to the operators that are
the primary users today. Both the DM and Foxview, are extremely limited
in functionality by the fact that they can only display data from the
Global Object Manager Data-set. The potential to develop an HMI that
allows users to access relational data from other sources such as the
many fieldbus, asset management, instrument, and process optimization
databases and applications would be a major improvement in an HMI and
would open up a new HMI user database in the ranks of plant based
engineers, managers, and maintenance personnel that could use the HMI
for planning, scheduling and maintenance. Today, Foxboro is spending
more effort on creating ECB's and control blocks to transform data into
Global Object variables.
My prediction is that it will be quicker and easier for 3rd
parties to push-and-pull the needed object manager data to and from the
Foxboro system and integrate it into a more flexible HMI environment, as
opposed to Foxboro creating ECB/blocks that transform all those external
data-sets into object manager variables that can be displayed via
DM/Foxview!
We continue to hear about an improved HMI that will come from
the Wonderware ranks and I am anxious to see it, but the potential is
for other companies, using accepted browser based technologies and
enabled databases, to provide an HMI that can meet user needs for many
different control systems. If Wonderware wasn't already focused on a
broader market than the Fox IA HMI they would be in serious trouble.
The HMI portion of their work will need to plug and play with multiple
systems, even with Foxboro's competitors if they are going to make any
money at it. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out over
the next few years. At any rate, I think that both DM and Foxview's
days are numbered so why pay more money than you have to on them?
Tom VandeWater
Control Systems Developer/Analyst
Dow Corning Corporation
Carrollton, KY USA
-----Original Message-----
From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jim Kahlden
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] DM on IA v8.2
Hi Brian,
We heard the same at the Gulf Coast Foxboro I/A User Group meeting in
June =3D
2005. The bullet from the slide was as follows:
"Display Manager may not be offered with V8.2 due to change in Window =
=3D
Manager - FoxView support only."
Don't have any more info than that.
Jim Kahlden
System Reliability Analyst
Lower Colorado River Authority
Fayette Power Project
6549 Power Plant Road
La Grange, TX 78945
(979) 249-8514 (Ph)
(979) 249-8390 (Fax)
jim.kahlden@xxxxxxxx
>>> batesb@xxxxxxxxxxx 9/14/2005 12:13:09 PM >>>
Hi all.
This morning I heard that 8.2 is (or will be) compatible with FoxView =
=3D
only.
Is it true that DM is not an option on IA v8.x?
Is there a documented "end of life" for DM?
-Regards, Brian Bates.
Bowater Canadian Forest Products Inc.
Thunder Bay ON
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