Re: [foxboro] Best Alarm Package for Ver 8 MESH
- From: "Theobald, Martin" <martin.theobald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:57:24 -0500
Corey.
If by "operator action messages get garbled" you mean that the first two
characters of a number of the (AIM* table) fields are lost then this is
the subject of CAR 1008305 - the problem probably lies with the Current
Alarm Display and not the historian. A QF has been available and has
been rolled into I/A ver. 8.4.2 . Further information is available via
the Global Client Support website http://support.ips.invensys.com .
Regards,
Martin Theobald
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On Behalf Of Corey R Clingo
Sent: 30 January 2009 18:07
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Subject: Re: [foxboro] Best Alarm Package for Ver 8 MESH
We have PlantStateSuite from PAS here, and I find that the situation is
just the opposite. The PAS principals come from a Honeywell background,
and PAS software reflects that by trying to make everything look like
Honeywell. While much of the philosophy between TDC and I/A is common,
some is not, and the terminology is different; this has already caused
some confusion with people doing alarm management activities here.
Another issue is that PSS does not understand the concept of alarm
destinations, so you might have data showing up in your alarm reports
than never emits a peep at an operator console. I had to write some
custom scripts here to collect and filter the alarm data before sending
it to the PAS alarm server to get around that.
That said, we are getting some value out of it (as we probably would
with any alarm management tool). The UI in the client looks nice, but
is surprisingly unintuitive for infrequent users; however, we mostly
work from canned reports anyway. The I/A collection interface actually
works better than the TDC one (!), so I personally can't complain too
much there. We do have an issue on our one v8 system where operator
action messages get garbled, but we've determined that that is a problem
with the AIM*ODBC driver, which PSS uses for collection on that system.
It's not my plant so I don't know if they ever resolved it.
I have never used Matrikon alarm management, so I don't know about them.
But TiPS' package looked functional if not necessarily pretty, and
they've been doing I/A for a long time. Also, PSS is definitely a "full
blown alarm management package" that is quite complex.
Corey Clingo
BASF Corporation
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We are presently using Matrikon, but have heard the of another company
that may be better integrated into the I/A world.
You might want to check these folks out PAS. Check out this link
http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/478442 for some info. There also is
a website www.pas.com, but I had trouble getting to it.
Jim Jenckes, CCST
Process Controls Specialist
Tesoro Alaska Co.
907-776-3865
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Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:56 AM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Clifford.Adams@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [foxboro] Best Alarm Package for Ver 8 MESH
Group,
I am looking for recommendations for the best 3rd party package to deal
with alarm and alarm message extraction from the AIM Historian. I know
Tips has been around a long time, but have heard yeas and nays about it.
I've also heard FoxRay is pretty good. Ideally, I'd like to hear from
someone with experience with several of these options to determine the
best.
The only thing we are looking for is a simple Windows AIM alarm/alarm
message extraction application that is easy to search and create simple
reports on an infrequent basis. We don't really need a full blown alarm
management package that is overly complicated.
Thanks in advance,
Jack Easley
Sr. I&C Technician
Luminant Power, Martin Lake Plant
Phone 903.836.6241
jack.easley@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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