[foxboro] FDSI Issue
- From: "Marcel Rameil" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ("Marcel.Rameil")
- To: "foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 16:02:40 +0000
Hi Richard, valued Cassandra readers,
Richard, you wrote:
Trying to give the developers some benefit of knowing the complexities
where I don't
Thanks (not being a developer, but I appreciate the move)
the clear missing feature for me is the migrate tool.
One tool that completely maps the current situation, and then has the steps
listed out to migrate.
We could certainly think of a tool, if the work would be clearly defined and
repeatable and matches most, ideally all possible use cases. The challenge
here is that every case is different, the compound/block structure chosen is
different, the philosophy how to build the complete loop between soft tags
and hardwired tags is individual, literally every situation is individual.
The easy part is the replacement of the ECB blocks that actually connect to
the hardware, but this is a quick thing. The more painful part is the
individual re-engineering due to the individual situation, that might or
might not involve re-assigning blocks to Compounds with their individual
consequences on linked blocks, the whole HMI (FoxView and Control HMI are
again two different beasts) and the associated Historian Collector
assignments (AIM* and AVEVA Historian can be the choice) and the associated
trends and reporting softwares. It can be arbitrarily complex or simple - it
is all individual.
And even if there would be a tool: The biggest pain is eventually the cost
of physical rearrangements of cables, switches, the required modification of
the SysDef, the committed install process needed, the mechanical work in the
cabinets and the testing that comes from all the modifications.
So, in summary, a tool is generally nice, but in this specific use case the
benefit would be minor compared to the complications, and a useless tool
only leads to more complaints than knowing that the re-engineering needs to
be done anyways.
We are paying a lot of money every year for a support contract - and now
we're paying the same money for products not supported.
If a product is not supported (means, OBSOLETE lifecycle), it does not
contribute to the cost of a support contract, which means we never ask
customers to pay for support for non-supported products. Please work with
your local Schneider Electric service representative to learn, how the
calculation of Customer First support contracts works.
Schneider have not said "your system is not supported so we're discounting
80% of the contract"
Again: The cost contribution of every product that is in the installed base
repository of each individual customer installation goes individually into
the Customer First calculation. This is a complex spreadsheet that is fed by
the global BuyAutomation database as a reference and with the individual,
current installed base report from the customer's site, that lists all
deployed functionalities and hardware with their versions and lifecycle
state. As soon as a product is out of support (means OBSOLETE lifecycle) the
cost contribution is zero.
However, the FDSI modules are far away from being not supported, they are
currently in AVAILABLE (Ethernet types FBM232 and FBM233) or MATURE (Serial
types FBM230 and FBM231) lifecycle, which is both means they are in full
guaranteed support. We are currently announcing the transition from MATURE
(guaranteed support) to LIFETIME (support on a best effort basis) for Feb.
2026. There is no projected end of the LIFETIME phase, means we currently
believe we can hold the FDSI modules in a support on a best effort basis for
the foreseeable future. In the past, we have been demonstrating, that we can
keep hardware I/O modules for very many years in the LIFETIME support phase,
often for more than 15 years. The potential "no support" phase OBSOLETE is
still many years out in the future for the FDSI modules.
Find the Customer Guide on Foxboro DCS support on our Global Customer
Support website:
https://pasupport.schneider-electric.com/content/Documents/Lifecycle/ia/Cust
omers_Guide_To_Foxboro_Product_Lifecycle.pdf
Find the current Foxboro DCS Product Phase Listing, which lists in detail
the individual lifecycle projections per product on the same server at
https://pasupport.schneider-electric.com/content/Documents/Lifecycle/ia/Foxb
oro-DCS-Lifecycle-Product-Phase-Listing.pdf
All this information is available for registered customers that are paying
for a support contract - this is one of the many values of doing so.
I suggest we stick to facts when we share information about technology and
the business in a public forum.
Let me know if there are further questions.
Thanks.
Best regards - Liebe Grüße -
Marcel Rameil
Schneider Electric
Global Offer Manager Control Software, EcoStruxure Foxboro DCS
Product Marketing, Industry Business, Process Automation
https://tinyurl.com/Foxboro-DCS
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Hey everyone,
Trying to give the developers some benefit of knowing the complexities where
I don't - the clear missing feature for me is the migrate tool.
One tool that completely maps the current situation, and then has the steps
listed out to migrate.
We are paying a lot of money every year for a support contract - and now
we're paying the same money for products not supported. where is the money
going? Schneider have not said "your system is not supported so we're
discounting 80% of the contract" - i can hear everyone laughing.
Richard
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