[ExchangeList] Re: Hosted Exchange
- From: "Michael B. Smith" <michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:31:21 -0400
Eh...
Unlimited claims have been around for a long time and probably aren't going
away.
On average, the hosting company will probably make money. If they don't,
after a while they'll cancel the program. The enticement is to get folks to
feel as if they won't get nickel-and-dimed to death (which I can assure you
- many hosting companies are happy to do to you - with disk space overages
being the largest portion of that).
Unlimited disk space is a common promise in hosting, but you really have to
investigate what that means. Do they do backups? How often? Can they recover
your mailbox if it fails? How long does that take? Do they have failover?
What happens to email during failover? Blah-blah-blabity-blah (to quote
Steve Ballmer). Do your due diligence.
The same for unlimited bandwidth. Most hosting companies will allow any
given website to have "unlimited" bandwidth, but will limit the bandwidth to
a given server and/or limit the processing utilization that a particular
website can consume. It isn't all roses. Again - do your due diligence.
I've written probably a half-dozen published articles on this plus another
half-dozen on my blog. Just make sure what you are getting into.
Regards,
Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael
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From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jabber Wock
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:26 PM
To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Hosted Exchange
You know that raises a potentially thorny question. To what extent is it
"honest" for a hosting company to claim they will provide "unlimited"
something (space, bandwidth, whatever?) Clearly this cannot be physically
true. Is this a misleading claim or just accepted business practice, and if
so, why is it accepted or even the norm?
JW
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM, William Lefkovics
<william@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
http://www.msexchange.org <http://www.msexchange.org/>
-------------------------------------------------------For me, there are a
great many other reasons why Gmail is not acceptable
(today's outage or Feb '09 outage not included).
4 users means a shared server, so performance also depends on the actions of
others sharing your instance... and they have "unlimited" storage too.
I don't have real value to add here, other that peers that use 123Together
and Intermedia. I think you would be fine with either. The features do seem
to be quite standard. Costs and SLA (can they restore a single mailbox?
What is the recovery time? Uptime guarantees?)
I was just drawn to the AppRiver claim of unlimited mailboxes. I don't know
anyone using them right now.
-----Original Message-----
From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:34 PM
To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Hosted Exchange
http://www.msexchange.org <http://www.msexchange.org/>
-------------------------------------------------------Yes, Exchange hosting
is a requirement. The users have ActiveSync
Direct Push phones and they are not in a line of business where Gmail
(the only thing otherwise I know of that ActiveSync DirectPush is
usable) is acceptable due to industry regulations. They will be using
Outlook Anywhere as this is how they operate today.
AppRiver is on Exchange 2007/Outlook 2007, the website is out of date.
It's as unlimited as you want, depending on how slow you want Outlook to
run. I've seen users with 10 gig mailboxes hosted on entry level single
CPU 2.0ghz servers running SBS2003, so I'm not too concerned about
mailboxes getting huge
Compliance Archiving as an add-on option will most likely be a new
requirement per some recent discussions as of 30 minutes ago, so that
cuts down on the size the mailboxes will need to grow to anyway, which
doesn't make AppRiver a top of list type choice. All of the providers
I've looked at have compliance archiving solutions that meet the
industry regulations.
I will still be maintaining the management of hosted environment for
this group. With the new requirements, it may just come down to cost,
because all of the big name providers offer almost identical
featuresets.
-----Original Message-----
From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of William
Lefkovics
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:18 PM
To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Hosted Exchange
http://www.msexchange.org <http://www.msexchange.org/>
-------------------------------------------------------Does it have to
be hosted Exchange if they do not need frills? Or will they
be using Outlook Anywhere (and a local .ost).
Most have free trials which allow the person assigned the task of
administering to be comfortable with the console they use.
Unlimited but not really... and Exchange 2003?
http://www.appriver.com/exchange/mailbox.asp
What does unlimited mailbox storage mean?
Unlimited mailbox storage means that clients of our Secure Exchange
Service
don't need to manage user quotas or be concerned about billing surprises
because of increased email activity. This does not mean that using
Microsoft's Outlook and Exchange 2003 will work with an infinitely large
email box - there are practical limits to how large a mailbox can be
before
performance becomes unacceptable. It also doesn't mean that a mailbox
can be
defined as an "archive" - which would be impractical and inconsistent
with
archiving requirements.
-----Original Message-----
From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:43 AM
To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ExchangeList] Hosted Exchange
http://www.msexchange.org <http://www.msexchange.org/>
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I have a group of 4 users I need to move to hosted exchange. These are
basic e-mail users who don't need a lot of frills and would not pay for
extra addons. I've looking into AppRiver, Intermedia and 123together .
I've also used The Message Center in the past. Most of these providers
seem to be all the same, with the biggest difference being the monthly
cost and how big of a mailbox size you can have.
Given the users in question, I've been inclined to choose AppRiver for
the unlimited mailbox size. This will prevent them from having to keep
maintain a local PST which is not being backed up (which has been a
concern of theirs).
Anyone have anything bad to say about AppRiver or advice to go in
another direction?
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