[euralex] Re: AW: Re: [DSNA] RE: End of print dictionaries at Macmillan
- From: "Simon Krek" <kreks@xxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:00:58 +0100
I wonder if anybody thought about similar resources that were conceived in
the internet era - can you imagine for instance a printed Wikipedia with all
the nice links from one article to another, simply impossible to follow.
This is also the experience that future generations will never have. And
similar to Wikipedia, future dictionaries will be massively interlinked-
words will not be isolated at all, I expect them to be a huge sensibly
organized browsable family, not to mention user-friendly vizualisations.
It's a different experience - in the sense that not many of us experience
everyday ride with a horse to the nearest barber.
Simon Krek
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Subject: [euralex] AW: Re: [DSNA] RE: End of print dictionaries at Macmillan
I totally agree with Geoffrey - to me Macmillan's decision is a sad one. If
it is the start of an overall trend future generations of (dictionary) users
will not have the enriching opportunity to "leaf through" a dictionary.
Instead they will "key in and enter" isolated words. Reference skills will
be reduced to using a keyboard or touch-screen.
Wolfgang Worsch
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Auftrag von WILLIAMS Geoffrey
Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. November 2012 09:52
An: euralex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Betreff: [euralex] Re: [DSNA] RE: End of print dictionaries at Macmillan
It is indeed a sad day for us page turners who also like comparing editions.
In powercuts, paper is so useful. The dictionary is also an object of value,
not just a support for words. In teaching, paper editions are a wonderful
tool against cheating in exams, and anyway we cannot guarantee that all
students have access to electronic tools, and certainly not internet outside
the uni.
But I suppose I am old and should be put on a bonfire along with my precious
books.
Geoffrey
Le 06/11/2012 08:52, KILGARRIFF Matthew (RIC-CH) a écrit :
A new dark age beckons.
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Subject: Re: [euralex] Re: [DSNA] RE: End of print dictionaries at Macmillan
> What a sad day!
Not at all! A day of liberation for the straitjacket of print!
Adam
On 5 November 2012 14:48, <Lexicophile@xxxxxxx> wrote:
What a sad day! When looking up anything in a print dictionary, you
generally stumble across all sorts of delightful material you never would
have known to look for. With an electronic dictionary, generally speaking,
what you search is what you get, and nothing beyond.
Dan Pratt
In a message dated 11/5/2012 6:00:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
gillesmaurice.deschryver@xxxxxxxx writes:
Dear Friends and Colleagues,
This is Breaking News indeed!
"Macmillan Dictionaries will no longer appear as physical books. The final
copies are rolling off the presses at this very moment, and from next year,
Macmillan Dictionary will be available only online."
http://www.macmillaneducation.com/MediaArticle.aspx?id=1778
For the past decade or so, we have all been expecting an announcement like
this from one of the major dictionary publishers, and I am happy to see that
the honour goes to Macmillan, a key player in the monolingual learner's
dictionary market for English. Finally getting rid of the paper constraints,
and starting to exploit the true power of the digital medium -- and to be
able to do just that -- is nothing less than a revolution. I predict that
the other major publishers will now also stop talking about what should be
done, to simply take the step and do it.
More info in Michael Rundell's post below.
Kind regards,
Gilles-Maurice de Schryver
President of AFRILEX and author of "Lexicographers' Dreams in the
Electronic-Dictionary Age" (IJL 16.2, 2003, free access here
<http://www.oxfordjournals.org/page/4646/3> )
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Subject: [euralex] End of print dictionaries at Macmillan
Macmillan has announced that, from 2013, it will no longer be publishing
dictionaries in book form. It will focus instead on its expanding range of
digital resources. Michael Rundell, Editor-in-Chief of the Macmillan
dictionary list, sees this as both inevitable and entirely positive. He
regards the printed book as a very limiting medium, and increasingly out of
step with the way people look for information in the second decade of the
21st century. While printed reference books are out of date as soon they go
on sale, an online dictionary can be kept fully up to date. More than this,
the digital medium allows dictionary publishers to provide valuable
additional resources, like audio pronunciations, interactive games, and a
thesaurus function. As well as all these, Macmillan has a crowd-sourced
dictionary (the 'Open Dictionary') fed by users from all over the world, and
an active blog with four or five new posts every week on language-related
issues. Michael says he was struck by one of the findings reported at the
recent Euralex Congress in Gilles-Maurice de Schryver's plenary: his
analysis of papers in the Euralex archive showed that the word 'look up' had
declined in frequency and been overtaken by 'search'. This is the world that
dictionaries belong to now. For more details, see the post on this subject
in Macmillan's blog:
http://www.macmillandictionaryblog.com/bye-print-dictionary.
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