[euralex] Re: AW: Re: [DSNA] RE: End of print dictionaries at Macmillan
- From: Stephen Bullon <stephen.bullon@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: euralex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:20:29 +0000
I think Simon makes a good point. If there'd never been paper dictionaries
before, we certainly wouldn't invent them now, with all the conventions
that the constraints of paper impose on them. Anyone remember the early
grammar patterns in the Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary, or LDOCE1?
VP18A was just one of a whole gang of largely unmemorisable codes (which
have admittedly evolved since the first editions, but which don't need to
be codified at all in a digital version). The potential for digital
dictionaries is only just now being tapped, and there's a lot more to come.
Like Geoffrey, I like books, and I'll keep my paper dictionaries, but I
don't look in them anywhere near as often as I used to. And like Simon,
I'll enjoy the much greater functionality available from digital resources.
Stephen Bullon
PS - I ought to declare an interest, as Publisher for Macmillan Dictionaries
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Simon Krek <kreks@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I wonder if anybody thought about similar resources that were conceived in
> the internet era – can you imagine for instance a printed Wikipedia with
> all the nice links from one article to another, simply impossible to
> follow. This is also the experience that future generations will never
> have. And similar to Wikipedia, future dictionaries will be massively
> interlinked– words will not be isolated at all, I expect them to be a huge
> sensibly organized browsable family, not to mention user-friendly
> vizualisations. It's a different experience – in the sense that not many of
> us experience everyday ride with a horse to the nearest barber.****
>
> Simon Krek****
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> *On Behalf Of *Worsch, Wolfgang
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:24 AM
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> *Subject:* [euralex] AW: Re: [DSNA] RE: End of print dictionaries at
> Macmillan****
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> I totally agree with Geoffrey – to me Macmillan’s decision is a sad one.
> If it is the start of an overall trend future generations of (dictionary)
> users will not have the enriching opportunity to “leaf through” a
> dictionary. Instead they will “key in and enter” isolated words. Reference
> skills will be reduced to using a keyboard or touch-screen.****
>
> Wolfgang Worsch ****
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> *Von:* euralex-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> *Im Auftrag von *WILLIAMS Geoffrey
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 6. November 2012 09:52
> *An:* euralex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Betreff:* [euralex] Re: [DSNA] RE: End of print dictionaries at Macmillan
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> It is indeed a sad day for us page turners who also like comparing
> editions. In powercuts, paper is so useful. The dictionary is also an
> object of value, not just a support for words. In teaching, paper editions
> are a wonderful tool against cheating in exams, and anyway we cannot
> guarantee that all students have access to electronic tools, and certainly
> not internet outside the uni.
>
> But I suppose I am old and should be put on a bonfire along with my
> precious books.
>
> Geoffrey****
>
> Le 06/11/2012 08:52, KILGARRIFF Matthew (RIC-CH) a écrit :****
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> A new dark age beckons. ****
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> *From:* adam.kilgarriff@xxxxxxxxx
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> *On Behalf Of *Adam Kilgarriff
> *Sent:* 06 November 2012 08:17
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> *Subject:* Re: [euralex] Re: [DSNA] RE: End of print dictionaries at
> Macmillan****
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> > What a sad day!
>
> Not at all! A day of liberation for the straitjacket of print!
>
> Adam****
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> On 5 November 2012 14:48, <Lexicophile@xxxxxxx> wrote:****
>
> What a sad day! When looking up anything in a print dictionary, you
> generally stumble across all sorts of delightful material you never would
> have known to look for. With an electronic dictionary, generally speaking,
> what you search is what you get, and nothing beyond.****
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> Dan Pratt****
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> In a message dated 11/5/2012 6:00:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> gillesmaurice.deschryver@xxxxxxxx writes:****
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> Dear Friends and Colleagues,
>
> This is Breaking News indeed!
>
> "Macmillan Dictionaries will no longer appear as physical books. The final
> copies are rolling off the presses at this very moment, and from next year,
> Macmillan Dictionary will be available only online."
>
> http://www.macmillaneducation.com/MediaArticle.aspx?id=1778
>
> For the past decade or so, we have all been expecting an announcement like
> this from one of the major dictionary publishers, and I am happy to see
> that
> the honour goes to Macmillan, a key player in the monolingual learner's
> dictionary market for English. Finally getting rid of the paper
> constraints,
> and starting to exploit the true power of the digital medium -- and to be
> able to do just that -- is nothing less than a revolution. I predict that
> the other major publishers will now also stop talking about what should be
> done, to simply take the step and do it.
>
> More info in Michael Rundell's post below.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Gilles-Maurice de Schryver
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> President of AFRILEX and author of "Lexicographers' Dreams in the
> Electronic-Dictionary Age" (IJL 16.2, 2003, free access here****
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> <http://www.oxfordjournals.org/page/4646/3> )****
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> From: euralex-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:euralex-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> Behalf Of Anne Dykstra
> Sent: maandag 5 november 2012 10:11
> To: euralex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [euralex] End of print dictionaries at Macmillan
>
> Macmillan has announced that, from 2013, it will no longer be publishing
> dictionaries in book form. It will focus instead on its expanding range of
> digital resources. Michael Rundell, Editor-in-Chief of the Macmillan
> dictionary list, sees this as both inevitable and entirely positive. He
> regards the printed book as a very limiting medium, and increasingly out of
> step with the way people look for information in the second decade of the
> 21st century. While printed reference books are out of date as soon they go
> on sale, an online dictionary can be kept fully up to date. More than this,
> the digital medium allows dictionary publishers to provide valuable
> additional resources, like audio pronunciations, interactive games, and a
> thesaurus function. As well as all these, Macmillan has a crowd-sourced
> dictionary (the 'Open Dictionary') fed by users from all over the world,
> and
> an active blog with four or five new posts every week on language-related
> issues. Michael says he was struck by one of the findings reported at the
> recent Euralex Congress in Gilles-Maurice de Schryver's plenary: his
> analysis of papers in the Euralex archive showed that the word 'look up'
> had
> declined in frequency and been overtaken by 'search'. This is the world
> that
> dictionaries belong to now. For more details, see the post on this subject
> in Macmillan's blog:
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> http://www.macmillandictionaryblog.com/bye-print-dictionary.****
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