[etni] weighty issues : whether to strike and risk harming students
- From: Barry Silverberg <barisil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:02:42 +0200
Wow. You people have really opened up a can of verbs!
How can we be loyal to our union and at the same time not spoil our students'
grade?
If our students have no project, but we have fudged a grade for them, what
happens when an external tester
appears(i.e. shows up) to test them orally?
I have come up with a solution that I can live with, integrity- wise. I
encourage my students to present their project in
gestures. If you look at the grading scale for the project part of the oral
exam you see that it is geared towards a spoken medium.
There should be no objection to a gesture -based presentation.
I tried to get an official OK from Nurit Valency for this, but over the phone
she couldn't see my arms and therefore had no Idea of what I was trying to
convey.
I have another point to make. Someone recently replied in a scoffing tone
to the teachers who expect money for project work. After all, was the gist of
her posting, we don't ask for extra money for checking unseens, teaching
remedial grammar, or having to be in classes of 14 yr old boys who pass gas all
the time. To this sarcasic teacher, I must speak out: We deserve more money
not for organizing and checing the projects. We deserve payment for writing
the projects in the first place!!
----- And another thing: a Bagrut teacher who has not taught literature for
the past ten years and now is being forced to teach it ! Isn't this "a
worsening of conditions - - Ha Ra Att - Tna-eem?
> hi patricia -
> as far as i understand it - the sanctions of not doing projects are for 2
> reasons -
> 1. another way of putting pressure on the MOE to come to an agreement re
> the HOTS.
> 2. we really should get some sort of pay for the projects.
>
> so -
> i am not doing projects with my students. (even though i am suffering,
> because i think projects are one of the best ways to teach).
>
>
> but - if i have a student in my class who did do a project - (because his
> teacher last year was a histadrut member or he has a project from the 10th
> grade) i am preparing him for the oral bagrut on that project. we went
> through this issue last year - and after a few teachers spoke to nurit
> valenci from the irgun, she agreed that we can prepare students who already
> have projects for the oral, including testing them in a matkonet etc.
>
> of course when testing for the oral bagrut - at another school - i will test
> the students who have projects - on their project, according to the
> rubrics.
>
> and just a comment - we do NOT get any gmul for the oral bagrut - the gmul
> is for the 3 written tests, exactly the same as math teachers get for their
> 3 written tests.
>
> sara g
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Ask Etni <ask@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Patricia Reifen - patriciareifen@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: To Project or not to Project!
>>
>> Dear Etniers,
>>
>> Since Judy's letter makes no comment about the projects, I would like to
>> explain the position of a friend of mine and ask for your feedback. Does
>> the following sound logical?
>>
>>
>> We are not doing projects because unlike in other subjects, we do not
>> receive a gmul for preparing projects in class with our students.
>> However,
>> we should be giving marks at the oral Bagrut test to a student who talks
>> about a project because we get paid for doing the oral Bagrut.
>> Furthermore, since we get Bagrut gmul for preparing students for the
>> Bagrut,
>> we should also be giving a mark to a student who talks about a project in
>> the Oral Magen test as well.
>>
>>
>> Up till now, I have said I will refuse to talk about projects in the oral
>> tests but the above seems to me, to make sense.
>>
>> What do others think?
>>
>> Enjoy life,
>> Patricia
>>
>>
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