Yes, the insurrection corps (1 or 2) can be placed anywhere in the
provinces of Illyria, Military Border, Transylvania and Hungary.
But 5.2.2.2.1 talks only about *Reinforcement phase*, about adding
factors to feudal and insurrection corps, not about placing feudal or
insurrection corps counter.
On 2018-01-17 12:14, Makis Xiroyannis wrote:
ok back to some rules discussion, sorry for that. I checked the
rulebook yesterday night, and again this morning but it is not 100%
clear. I remember we were not playing insurrection like this, and the
rules seem to suggest it differently but again it is ambiguous. I
think it needs for all of us to agree on an interpretation.
The rules for insurrection appear to allow placing simply *anywhere*
(check especially the red parts):
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/10.1.4 AUSTRIAN INSURRECTION CORPS: The Austrian major power has two
insurrection corps available. /
/10.1.4.1 PLACING INSURRECTION CORPS: Immediately after an enemy
corps, cossack or freikorps has entered certain Austrian border
provinces, the triggers the possible placement of the insurrection
corps and the Austrian player may (if desired) place on-map either or
both insurrection *corps anywhere within that province,* at their
current strength. These border provinces are Illyria, Military Border,
Transylvania and Hungary. These border provinces are not eligible for
insurrection corps activation if the province is currently ceded./
/10.1.4.1.1: *If the corps are placed in the area containing _the_
enemy corps, _that_ enemy corps (but not cossack or freikorps) would
have to cease its movement.* /
/10.1.4.1.2: Insurrection corps need not be placed at the rst
opportunity and so could cut supply chains if corps, cossacks or
freikorps later activate their placement by crossing a border into an
eligible Austrian border province. /
/10.1.4.1.3: Insurrection corps may only move within these four border
provinces, even if they are ceded (subject to access rules-see 10.3).
If compelled to retreat out of these border provinces they must
immediately stand down./
/10.1.4.1.4: Insurrection corps may not move during the same Turn they
are placed on the map. /
/10.1.4.2 USING INSURRECTION CORPS: In other respects insurrection
corps are treated similarly to Turkish feudal corps-they may not
detach, absorb or exchange factors; they may stand down during
Austria's Land Movement Step unless besieged or as a result of a
retreat (see 10.1.4.1.3). However, after standing down, they may not
be placed on the map except by using the activation procedure in 10.1.4.1.
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/10.1.4.3 * RAISING INSURRECTION CORPS FACTORS: Insurrection corps are
brought up to their full strength of 15 militia and 3 regular cavalry
factors (even if o map), only during the Levy Step of the December
Economic Phase, if not then besieged, so long as any one of the four
border provinces is Austrian controlled and contains no unbesieged
enemy corps. Unlike Turkish feudal corps, the factors in the
insurrection corps are treated as normal Austrian militia and regular
cavalry factors (although they may not be detached)./
/10.1.4.4 * INSURRECTION CORPS MAINTENANCE: Maintenance must be paid
only for insurrection corps actually on the map during a Money and
Manpower Expenditure Step. Insurrection corps not then on the map,
even if placed during the following three months, do not have to be
purchased./
But if you check the rules for placement, they do NOT allow placement
of insurrection somewhere where there are enemy corps already.
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/5.2.2.2 CAMPAIGN ARMY FACTOR PLACEMENT:/
/5.2.2.2.1 Adding to Corps Inside Home Nations: Factors may be added
to //any unbesieged corps of the same nationality which has the
capacity and is //inside its home nation (this excludes ceded
provinces). Minor free state //factors can be added in this way, but
inside that minor free state's borders.//NOTE: Feudal corps must be in
their home province which currently/
/contains no unbesieged enemy corps (see 10.1.3) or off-map
*and *//*insurrection corps must be in an Austrian-controlled border
province _which _*//*_currently contains no unbesieged enemy corps_
(see 10. 1.4)*or off-map during //an Army Reinforcement Step feudal
and insurrection corps will only //get reinforcements from prisoner
exchanges (normally they get new factors //during December Levy
Steps-see 8.10, 10.1.3.1 and 10.1.4.3)./
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My interpretation of the above conflicting rules is that insurrection
corps _can_ be placed in a territory when an enemy corps enters it,
and thereby immediately stop its movement, *_but_* only if enemy corps
are not _already_ there. This also seems in line with sentence
10.1.4.1.1 referring to "_the_ enemy corps, _that_ enemy corps"
suggesting, but not clarifying it, that it refers to the corps just
now entering the Austrian territory and not corps already there.
According to our interpretation so far, when Turkey moves one corps
from Eszek to Karlstadt, Austria can place an insurrection corps
in Karlstatd and a battle will be fought with Turkey as the attacker,
/although Turkey already had 6 more corps stationed there from the
beginning of the turn/! I do not think that is the intended
interpretation of the rules, and according to this interpretation last
turn battle in Karlstad should not have happened.(its done now, I am
discussing for the future)
But what the rest of you think?
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