I like Arduino Eclipse IDE
I like Roberto's reasoning but IMHO we should not put to much semantics in
the name.
When I want to find an eclipse IDE for arduino this is exactly what I would
google.
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
For the record. I didn't get the first mail as well.
I'm fully aware of the consequences of name changes. And I'm pleased to
have a discussion about it. I was updating the pages and when I saw things
that did not fit the definition I proposed I changed it. As I feel the
naming was inconsistent anyway, I do not think it makes the situation worse.
Why I think we have this discussion:
As all of the people on this list know the first version of the Arduino
eclipse plugin was actually only a plugin based on the avr plugin that
itself use CDT (which is an IDE). As such I called it the "Arduino eclipse
plugin". If you had told me then that I would be discussin the name of the
plugin on a developers list purely related to the plugin I would have
laughed it away. :-)
Version 2 dropped the AVR plugin and works directly on CDT. Wim added a
"product" in version 2.X (don't recall the exact number). I'm very thankful
for Wim his product contribution but I feel it is the root of the naming
confusion. As getting rid of the product is an absolute NO WAY; lets have a
constructive discussion on the naming.
I think the name should satisfy all of following criteria:
1) It should come up in google when people try to find a alternative for
the Arduino IDE
2) It should be compliant with "wikipedia". (I mean product in eclipse has
a very specific meaning and is not what "normal people" think of when they
hear product. wikipedia is my reference here)
3) It should be self explaining.
Unless someone has a great idea for a name I think we will end up with a
concatenation of words like "Arduino eclipse plugin".
So with all that in mind here are the things I agree to disagree with
Roberto :-)
IDE
When I google "IDE wikipedia" I immediately get the description
"integrated development environment".
I even disagree that the plugin is not an IDE.
1) ok
2) ok
3) ok
MCU
When I google "MCU wikipedia" I do not get a description of what MCU
stands for. Actually I do not see a link between MCU and the "plugin". I
also doubt that a Arduino IDE user will make a link between "Eclipse MCU"
and "Compiling a Arduino sketch"
1) Nok
2) Nok
3) Nok.
extension
Wikipedia gives a good description of extension but it goes from hair to
... . I feel extension is a inside name. The user doesn't care the plugin
extends CDT which extends IDE which extents eclipse core. I don't think
people will use this to look for us nor does it self explaining.
1) Nok
2) ok
3) Nok
platform
Feels the same as extension to me.
Here are the names I agree to agree with Roberto
Arduino score 1/1/1
IDE score 1/1/1
IOT score 0/1/0.5
eclipse score 0.2/1/1
Assembling words to a name:
Based on the above list of words the best name would be "Arduino IDE"
which is unfortunately already taken ;-).
Hoping for more input
Jantje
Op 1/04/2016 om 9:44 schreef Roberto Lo Giacco:
I see you have already gone with "Arduino eclipse IDE"....
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Roberto Lo Giacco <rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I disagree with naming it IDE for multiple reasons, biggest being it will
create confusion with the Arduino IDE.
The product might be considered an IDE, but the plugin is definitely not
an IDE...
So may be just Arduino Eclipse or Eclipse Arduino is a better fit, or may
be we want to get out of the Arduino branding (which is also covered by
copyright) and call it Eclipse MCU or Eclipse IoT :-D
I'm also having a debate with the Arduino people with regards the library
manager: I don't like the way they build the libraries list and I'm
concerned about some mistakes I'm seeing... I'm tempted to create my own
list and compete with them on that front :-P
Looking at how other plugins/platforms are named they don't name the word
*platform*, some of the name *plugin*, but most of them either just give
a name accordingly to what it does or use the word *extension*. I
believe the latter is the best fit for us if we wish to use a suffix, we
are extending Eclipse CDT to enable Arduino development.
So, my advices are (in order of my preference):
1. Eclipse MCU
2. Arduino Eclipse
3. Arduino Eclipse Extension
4. Eclipse Arduino Extension
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Jan Baeyens < <jan@xxxxxxxxxx>
jan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have been struggling lately with names like "Arduino eclipse plugin",
"Arduino eclipse product" ...
In my mind I came to this conclusion:
1) We are making a Arduino eclipse IDE.
2) The Arduino eclipse IDE comes in 2 flavours: plugin and product.
So I think we should talk about the "Arduino Eclipse IDE" instead of the
"Arduino Eclipse plugin".
The flavours their FQN is "Arduino Eclipse IDE plugin" and "Arduino
Eclipse IDE product"
What do you think?
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