[dungeoncrawl] Re: No discussion today
- From: Johnathan Detrick <jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:04:12 -0500
I have to say something else about the extended version, since Keith
mentioned it. The extra time with Gimli was well worth it. His reaction to
Galadriel was somewhat glossed over originally, and by focusing on it more in
the extended version, he comes off as a much more developed character.
I don't know about Boromir. I'm not saying you couldn't do it, but he's not
quite a Jim character in my mind. Honestly (and this could be an interesting
discussion thread), I could see you playing Strider/Aragorn before Boromir.
Someone born to power who doesn't want it, someone stuck in a love affair that
is forbidden, someone forced into playing the leader and being the gruff strong
guy all the time. It's part of Ambrosia, part of Kage... The only problem is
that Strider doesn't have much of a sense of humor. But then, neither does
Kage.
I do agree that you could play Merry or Pippin. They just scream "Jim
character!!!!" :)
Jim and Karen wrote:
> Now I really want to watch the rest of the extended version! If only time
> would allow -
>
> By the way, who agrees that if we were to play the Fellowship in D&D, I'd be
> playing Pippin and Boromir? :)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grogan, Keith" <Keith_Grogan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:23 PM
> Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: No discussion today
>
> >
> > We ended up closing early on Wednesday, not sure why it was mostly just
> > raining. I only worked for about 4 hours. I left work about 5:30. I headed
> > over to the salon to see Tim and ended up getting my birthday gift from
> > Julie. My one hour massage that she promised me in b-day card at my party.
> > It felt sooooooooooooooo goooooooooooooood. I felt like jello when she was
> > done. Got my neck, arms, hands, legs, feet, chest and back deep tissue
> > massaged. I highly recommend her to anyone.
> >
> > I also loved the extended version of Lord of the Rings. The entire section
> > they put back in when the fellowship was w/ the elves after getting out of
> > the mines made so much more sense. Well to me at least. I got lost at that
> > part in the original movie. Probably because of never reading the book. I
> > figured more happened there than what was shown. It wasn't unitl I saw the
> > extended version that I noticed that the whole fellowship had the matching
> > cloaks and noticed Lelagas' new bow since I now knew they had them. I also
> > loved Bilbo's narration of hobbits and the shire after the narrator's back
> > story. Like John I liked the insight more into Boromir's character. In the
> > original I felt he was there to be killed because someone had to die in
> the
> > film. I ended up liking him as much as the others in this version. It was
> > like watching a totally new movie, almost. It was very well done.
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: Johnathan Detrick
> > > Reply To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:31 AM
> > > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: No discussion today
> > >
> > >
> > > I decided to take yesterday off. I don't mind driving in snow (and
> I
> > > was
> > > here last Thursday when we got our first snowstorm), but I hate ice.
> Add
> > > to
> > > that the fact that Brad and I have been tremendously busy and just
> needed
> > > a
> > > day off, and the decision to stay home was a little more simple (and I'm
> > > not
> > > too busy this week).
> > > So we spent the day studying for his Real Estate Exam (which he
> takes
> > > the
> > > 23rd). It was great to have a whole day to study, and we got a lot
> > > accomplished. I still maintain that, by the time we finish, I could
> take
> > > the
> > > damn test and get my real estate license if I wanted to! :)
> > > We also did something else that I didn't think I would have time to
> > > do; we
> > > finally watched the Lord of the Rings! This is the first time I have
> seen
> > > the
> > > movie in almost a year, and I have to say; I couldn't stand the damn
> > > thing!
> > > No, I'm kidding....I have visions of Jim and Matt coming to my house to
> > > burn
> > > me as a heretic! No, I find the film endlessly fascinating, and
> increased
> > > running time was incredible. I usually say most films need an editor
> and
> > > should be shorter, but the extra time was great. Middle Earth feels
> like
> > > a
> > > place you could actually go, and the scenery is gorgeous.
> > > What really struck me about the movie though, and what made it
> better
> > > than
> > > it was the first time (and better than the book when I read it), was the
> > > characterization of Boromir. When I read the book, he came off as a
> total
> > > spaz and a jerk, and to me, it was always a foregone conclusion that he
> > > would
> > > cause trouble for the hobbits eventually. However, the movie makes him
> a
> > > real
> > > person. He's not a bad guy; he simply isn't as strong as some of the
> > > other
> > > characters, especially Aragorn. In fact, if Aragorn were not in the
> > > group, I
> > > feel Boromir quite easily could have been the hero of the tale. I felt
> > > his
> > > death even more strongly this time, not just because I found him to be a
> > > very
> > > real character, but because I feel the further story of his adventures
> (as
> > > he
> > > tried to come back from what he had done) would have been fascinating.
> > > But there is an even greater reason why the portrayal of Boromir
> made
> > > the
> > > movie truly great for me. When I first read the book (as a teenager), I
> > > remember one thought that drove through my mind; Frodo is an idiot! He
> > > goes
> > > off on his own, and how stupid is that?! He's a freaking hobbit, with
> > > nary a
> > > level in sight (does he ever contribute to any fight in the movie?
> Heck,
> > > Merry and Pippin are more useful than Frodo in a brawl!). So, what does
> > > wussy
> > > ass Frodo do? He abandons all of his powerful companions, and goes
> > > running
> > > off alone. That always drove me crazy, and I saw it only as a plot
> > > device.
> > > When I saw the movie last year, my feelings were confirmed. Frodo
> > > shouldn't
> > > have gone off alone, because he was King of the Wussies, and it was
> simply
> > > to
> > > move the plot along.
> > > But yesterday it finally gelled for me. Boromir was a good man. A
> > > trifle
> > > rash, perhaps, and sometimes a wee bit obnoxious, but he was good in his
> > > heart. He wanted to help his people, and he did not want to hurt his
> > > companions. Yet the power of the Ring seduced him. Finally, I saw it!
> > > He
> > > was seduced first, because he was the weakest. But the others would
> have
> > > been
> > > seduced eventually. So Frodo had to go alone. And it all made sense.
> > > Ok, LoTR talk is over for now. Everyone else have a good day?
> > >
> > > Damon Kline wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, I was going to see if anyone else had made it to work and get a
> > > D&D
> > > > discussion started, but now that they gave us a two hour delay and we
> > > came
> > > > into work, they have decided to close the office. So, my attempt at a
> > > > discussion will have to wait. See you guys later and if you are at
> work
> > > > today, be careful driving home!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Damon Kline
> > > > Legal Systems Technician
> > > > Supreme Court of Pennsylvania
> > > > 5035 Ritter Road
> > > > Suite 700
> > > > (717) 795-2028
> > > > damon.kline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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