[dungeoncrawl] Re: No discussion today
- From: Johnathan Detrick <jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:32:34 -0500
Yes, I noticed that also. He was willing to sacrifice himself;
guilt, perhaps? I again say that he was a fascinating character, and I
think it's a shame he had to die. His story could have been incredibly
interesting.
jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> I realized something else about Baromir
> the second time I saw the film in the
> theatre - he put himself in a supremely
> high-risk situation after betraying
> Frodo as a way of atoning for what he
> did.
>
> That was why he was blowing the horn -
> he wanted to attract all the Uruk-Hai
> to him so others could regroup. Cool
> character -
>
> >
> > I have to say something else
> about the extended version, since Keith
> > mentioned it. The extra time with
> Gimli was well worth it. His reaction
> to
> > Galadriel was somewhat glossed over
> originally, and by focusing on it more
> in
> > the extended version, he comes off as
> a much more developed character.
> > I don't know about Boromir. I'm
> not saying you couldn't do it, but he's
> not
> > quite a Jim character in my mind.
> Honestly (and this could be an
> interesting
> > discussion thread), I could see you
> playing Strider/Aragorn before Boromir.
> > Someone born to power who doesn't
> want it, someone stuck in a love affair
> that
> > is forbidden, someone forced into
> playing the leader and being the gruff
> strong
> > guy all the time. It's part of
> Ambrosia, part of Kage... The only
> problem is
> > that Strider doesn't have much of a
> sense of humor. But then, neither does
> > Kage.
> > I do agree that you could play
> Merry or Pippin. They just scream "Jim
> > character!!!!" :)
> >
> > Jim and Karen wrote:
> >
> > > Now I really want to watch the rest
> of the extended version! If only time
> > > would allow -
> > >
> > > By the way, who agrees that if we
> were to play the Fellowship in D&D, I'd
> be
> > > playing Pippin and Boromir? :)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Grogan, Keith"
> <Keith_Grogan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002
> 8:23 PM
> > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: No
> discussion today
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We ended up closing early on
> Wednesday, not sure why it was mostly
> just
> > > > raining. I only worked for about
> 4 hours. I left work about 5:30. I
> headed
> > > > over to the salon to see Tim and
> ended up getting my birthday gift from
> > > > Julie. My one hour massage that
> she promised me in b-day card at my
> party.
> > > > It felt sooooooooooooooo
> goooooooooooooood. I felt like jello
> when she was
> > > > done. Got my neck, arms, hands,
> legs, feet, chest and back deep tissue
> > > > massaged. I highly recommend her
> to anyone.
> > > >
> > > > I also loved the extended version
> of Lord of the Rings. The entire section
> > > > they put back in when the
> fellowship was w/ the elves after
> getting out of
> > > > the mines made so much more
> sense. Well to me at least. I got lost
> at that
> > > > part in the original movie.
> Probably because of never reading the
> book. I
> > > > figured more happened there than
> what was shown. It wasn't unitl I saw
> the
> > > > extended version that I noticed
> that the whole fellowship had the
> matching
> > > > cloaks and noticed Lelagas' new
> bow since I now knew they had them. I
> also
> > > > loved Bilbo's narration of
> hobbits and the shire after the
> narrator's back
> > > > story. Like John I liked the
> insight more into Boromir's character.
> In the
> > > > original I felt he was there to
> be killed because someone had to die in
> > > the
> > > > film. I ended up liking him as
> much as the others in this version. It
> was
> > > > like watching a totally new
> movie, almost. It was very well done.
> > > >
> > > > > ----------
> > > > > From: Johnathan Detrick
> > > > > Reply To:
> dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 12,
> 2002 7:31 AM
> > > > > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: No
> discussion today
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I decided to take yesterday
> off. I don't mind driving in snow (and
> > > I
> > > > > was
> > > > > here last Thursday when we got
> our first snowstorm), but I hate ice.
> > > Add
> > > > > to
> > > > > that the fact that Brad and I
> have been tremendously busy and just
> > > needed
> > > > > a
> > > > > day off, and the decision to
> stay home was a little more simple (and
> I'm
> > > > > not
> > > > > too busy this week).
> > > > > So we spent the day
> studying for his Real Estate Exam
> (which he
> > > takes
> > > > > the
> > > > > 23rd). It was great to have a
> whole day to study, and we got a lot
> > > > > accomplished. I still maintain
> that, by the time we finish, I could
> > > take
> > > > > the
> > > > > damn test and get my real
> estate license if I wanted to! :)
> > > > > We also did something else
> that I didn't think I would have time to
> > > > > do; we
> > > > > finally watched the Lord of the
> Rings! This is the first time I have
> > > seen
> > > > > the
> > > > > movie in almost a year, and I
> have to say; I couldn't stand the damn
> > > > > thing!
> > > > > No, I'm kidding....I have
> visions of Jim and Matt coming to my
> house to
> > > > > burn
> > > > > me as a heretic! No, I find
> the film endlessly fascinating, and
> > > increased
> > > > > running time was incredible. I
> usually say most films need an editor
> > > and
> > > > > should be shorter, but the
> extra time was great. Middle Earth
> feels
> > > like
> > > > > a
> > > > > place you could actually go,
> and the scenery is gorgeous.
> > > > > What really struck me about
> the movie though, and what made it
> > > better
> > > > > than
> > > > > it was the first time (and
> better than the book when I read it),
> was the
> > > > > characterization of Boromir.
> When I read the book, he came off as a
> > > total
> > > > > spaz and a jerk, and to me, it
> was always a foregone conclusion that he
> > > > > would
> > > > > cause trouble for the hobbits
> eventually. However, the movie makes
> him
> > > a
> > > > > real
> > > > > person. He's not a bad guy; he
> simply isn't as strong as some of the
> > > > > other
> > > > > characters, especially
> Aragorn. In fact, if Aragorn were not
> in the
> > > > > group, I
> > > > > feel Boromir quite easily could
> have been the hero of the tale. I felt
> > > > > his
> > > > > death even more strongly this
> time, not just because I found him to
> be a
> > > > > very
> > > > > real character, but because I
> feel the further story of his adventures
> > > (as
> > > > > he
> > > > > tried to come back from what he
> had done) would have been fascinating.
> > > > > But there is an even
> greater reason why the portrayal of
> Boromir
> > > made
> > > > > the
> > > > > movie truly great for me. When
> I first read the book (as a teenager), I
> > > > > remember one thought that drove
> through my mind; Frodo is an idiot! He
> > > > > goes
> > > > > off on his own, and how stupid
> is that?! He's a freaking hobbit, with
> > > > > nary a
> > > > > level in sight (does he ever
> contribute to any fight in the movie?
> > > Heck,
> > > > > Merry and Pippin are more
> useful than Frodo in a brawl!). So,
> what does
> > > > > wussy
> > > > > ass Frodo do? He abandons all
> of his powerful companions, and goes
> > > > > running
> > > > > off alone. That always drove
> me crazy, and I saw it only as a plot
> > > > > device.
> > > > > When I saw the movie last year,
> my feelings were confirmed. Frodo
> > > > > shouldn't
> > > > > have gone off alone, because he
> was King of the Wussies, and it was
> > > simply
> > > > > to
> > > > > move the plot along.
> > > > > But yesterday it finally
> gelled for me. Boromir was a good
> man. A
> > > > > trifle
> > > > > rash, perhaps, and sometimes a
> wee bit obnoxious, but he was good in
> his
> > > > > heart. He wanted to help his
> people, and he did not want to hurt his
> > > > > companions. Yet the power of
> the Ring seduced him. Finally, I saw
> it!
> > > > > He
> > > > > was seduced first, because he
> was the weakest. But the others would
> > > have
> > > > > been
> > > > > seduced eventually. So Frodo
> had to go alone. And it all made sense.
> > > > > Ok, LoTR talk is over for
> now. Everyone else have a good day?
> > > > >
> > > > > Damon Kline wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well, I was going to see if
> anyone else had made it to work and get
> a
> > > > > D&D
> > > > > > discussion started, but now
> that they gave us a two hour delay and
> we
> > > > > came
> > > > > > into work, they have decided
> to close the office. So, my attempt at
> a
> > > > > > discussion will have to
> wait. See you guys later and if you
> are at
> > > work
> > > > > > today, be careful driving
> home!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Damon Kline
> > > > > > Legal Systems Technician
> > > > > > Supreme Court of Pennsylvania
> > > > > > 5035 Ritter Road
> > > > > > Suite 700
> > > > > > (717) 795-2028
> > > > > > damon.kline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
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