Hmmm, I like that a lot. The only problem I see is that Kilian is really the God of "Beasts of the forests" so if they ousted animals, he would be the one to be upset. However, since Dove is the Goddess of retribution, perhaps he went to her for help. This created a "feud" between Dove and Ariakas that persists to this day. Followers of the two faiths look unfavorably upon followers of the other. In fact, Ariakas encourages his clergy to create horrific temples in wooded areas, specifically to attract or summon monsters there to disturb the local inhabitants. Dove's followers work against this, perhaps along side Kilians followers. Kilian's druids and the like would work more on saving the animals and restoring nature, after Dove's rangers get through destroying the temple and its foul creatures. What do you think? -----Original Message----- From: jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:49 AM To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: New Campaign Ok, I'm with you. The books always say "real world" animals to distinguish between animals/monsters, but that doesn't mean that monsters are unnatural. Confusing. So, maybe we could come up with a story to tie retribution in? Let's say that Ariakas creates monsters as a mockery of life: Owlbears, Leucrotta, Stirges, you name it. These creatures wreak havoc in nature, ousting "normal" animals from their homes and upsetting the ecosystem. One of Dove's purposes could be to protect nature from such destruction and punish those who would work to those ends? > Kilian is the God of Forests and Beasts of the Forests. I think that > monsters ARE natural, that is what I said after I mentioned them as being > unnatural. > > That is why I made the suggestions below about monsters bane or protector of > the innocent. Dove is the Goddess of Retribution, Hunting and Archery; > Patron of rangers. > > What if we just add in something like "Slayer of Monsters" or "Hunter of > Monsters" or something like that? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:34 AM > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: New Campaign > > I can almost read what John would > write about monsters not being > natural. :) I think that would work > for her! Do we have a god/goddess of > wildlife yet? > > > I like that idea Jim! That makes > perfect sense. What about a goddess > > against abominations and unnatural > life? No, that doesn't really work > > because monsters are natural. I'm > just throwing things out to perhaps > spark > > something in someone else. > > > > What about something like protector > of innocents or bane of monsters? > > > > Again, just throwing out ideas... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:28 > AM > > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] New Campaign > > > > Hey, remember this topic? :) Seems > > like a while since we discussed it, > > anyway. An idea popped into my head > > just now, and I wanted to share it > > before it got lost again. > > > > Remember how I kept saying that Dove > > sort of "needed something more" for > her > > portfolio? Well, I'm a bit closer > to > > making a suggestion now. This is > based > > on how Nadan destroyed Talos's > avatar, > > making Stormlord Ariakas descend > into > > madness. > > > > When we were figuring out the gods a > > few months ago, we gave Ariakas > > dominion over monsters. Well, since > > Ariakas undoubtedly holds a grudge > > against Dove (since Nadan's out of > his > > reach), let's put these two into > direct > > opposition somehow. > > > > Is there a way to categorize a > goddess > > who is dedicated to destroying > > monsters? I think it would fit > really > > cool with what she already has - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >