RE: Is this right wing rhetoric or are we reducing farm output at the cost of climate change?

From: Peter Aylen <peter.aylen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 22:27:00 +0000

The amount Canada imports is not large.  This was one of a many items that were
sanctioned because of the Ukraine invasion by Russia.

My understanding is that it was selling at low prices to get foreign exchange.

Fertilizer improves the yields and reduces costs of food.  Like most people the
lower price is an attraction.  Canadian fertilizer is more expensive so the
farmers were looking for some economies in the production cycle.

The chemical fertilizers are much more efficient than manure so, again it
becomes a matter of economics.

I did a lot of work on fertilizers at one time when I was developing a patent
for the production of urea prills without the use of urea formaldehyde. Got a
patent but the urea formaldehyde helped prevent the prills from sticking
together so people continued to use the existing formulations.

Canada imports Fertilizers primarily from: United States ($1.08B), Russia
($74.1M), Netherlands ($62.4M), Morocco ($49.1M), and Germany ($22.7M). The
fastest growing import markets in Fertilizers for Canada between 2019 and 2020
were Turkmenistan ($7.87M), Poland ($5.05M), and Indonesia ($4.56M). Latest
Trends April 2022
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On Behalf Of Chessor, Edward
Sent: July 30, 2022 11:09 AM
To: 'dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' <dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Is this right wing rhetoric or are we reducing farm output at the
cost of climate change?

Okay, I am not advocating a sudden elimination of all fertilizer use.  I am
asking how much of the fertilizer Canadian farmers use comes from Russia.  I
remember there being phosphate mining in Saskatchewan, and exports from there
through Vancouver.  I also remember a fertilizer plant in BC, using sulphuric
acid from the Trail smelter, and I understand Nutrien is producing urea in
Alberta.  I doubt we are totally dependent on Russian fertilizers.

I am also old enough to remember a time when crop land was fertilized with
manure from livestock. What yields did that produce?  Were input costs lower?
Spatial separation of livestock and grain production has made that more
difficult.

Ed

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[mailto:dsp-ea-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donald Hoyda
Sent: July-30-22 10:12 AM
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Subject: Re: Is this right wing rhetoric or are we reducing farm output at the
cost of climate change?

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Gentlemen: At Fort Saskatchewan, which has some of the best soil and rainfall
in Alberta if you plant a cereal crop without fertilizer the yield will be 12
to 15 bushels per acre. With currently applied amounts of nitrogen and
phosphate fertilizer the yield will be 90 to 100 bushels per acre. This has
been true for many years.
Regards, Don Hoyda

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On Jul 29, 2022, at 12:13 PM, Chessor, Edward
<echessor@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:echessor@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Looks like over the top rhetoric to me.  How long have we been importing
fertilizer from Russia?  Were Canadian farmers able to grow good crops for many
decades without it?  Can they figure out how to do it again?

Ed Chessor

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From: Wynn Payne <wynn.payne@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wynn.payne@xxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: July 28, 2022 5:20 PM
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Subject: Is this right wing rhetoric or are we reducing farm output at the cost
of climate change?

Thoughts?
Wynn
https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/07/trudeaus-fertiliser-ban-threatens-to-create-a-food-crisis/

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