Understood Bob,I am very pleased to reset. I do believe that the discussions
are important. I umderstand but am sorry that Rick has opted out because he
probably has more knowledge than most of us...JimSent from my Samsung device
over Bell's LTE network.
-------- Original message --------
From: Bob Thomlinson <bthomlinson@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 22-02-2021 10:04 (GMT-05:00)
To: dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Clarifications
Hello All, I just want to clarify that Ken Marshall has NOT left the group. As
the administrator it is my job to confirm intentions before making changes to
the automated email distribution system. Although Ken’s comments may not have
been clear, it was not his intention to drop out, only to indicate that he will
consider dropping out if we start circulating this type of venom on a regular
basis. To Jim Farmilo, specifically - I suspect that you might have thought
Ken’s annoyance was directed at you, but that was never my impression. The way
this email group chat works, members typically Reply to previous emails and
sometimes, due to the timing of when they read their email, they may be
responding to a recent message with comments about an earlier message. Email
has some inherent limitations when used for group chats so misunderstanding can
arise if we are not careful. I am sure you have all experienced this type of
misunderstanding before. I personally believe this has been a great forum for
discussing difficult subjects and I appreciate the broad range of life
experiences and constructive opinions that have been exchanged. I did not
respond on this particular topic because I recognised the racist style and just
deleted the original posing without finishing it. I get enough of that from a
few compulsive forwarders in my golf group, who seem to think that stuff is
funny. Norm has already apologised and indicated that his first impression was
to NOT post the message because he didn’t agree with it but thought it would
provoke some discussion. It certainly did provoke discussion. I would be very
disappointed to see this group revert to just circulating jokes and videos from
the Internet. I agree with the comments that arrived this morning from both
Dave Kerr and John Wellar, as well as the earlier contributions from others. We
are all mature seniors with good educations and a wealth of experiences to
bring to any discussion topic. I hope it continues. To finish, I did contact
Richard Mathias and he did request to be removed from the group distribution
list. Since I don’t remember him ever replying before, he may have lost
interest much earlier – we just don’t know and should not assume we know his
reasons. Richard did want to stay on the 2nd email list for those who only want
significant announcements or updates. In his response to my inquiry Richard
said, “As a note, I was a medical health officer for a first nations group here
in BC and quite familiar with the damage done”. YITBOSBob T From:
dsp-ea-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dsp-ea-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On
Behalf Of akfarmilo2Sent: February 21, 2021 4:54 PMTo:
dsp-ea-general@freelists.orgSubject: Re: What is in the Budget for Seniors?
Wynn and other Brothers I apologize to any of you that were upset by my post.
I thought this was also a forum for exchange of ideas in order to learn from
others with different knowledge and experience.I will keep discussions off this
venue from now on. Jim Farmilo Sent from my Samsung device over Bell's LTE
network.-------- Original message --------From: Wynn Payne
<wynn.payne@xxxxxxxxx> Date: 21-02-2021 17:52 (GMT-05:00) To: Delta Sig master
list <dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Bob Thomlinson." <bthomlinson@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: What is in the Budget for Seniors? I will take you off the general
communication list as we have Rick MathiasWynn On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 3:19 PM
Ken Marshall <tokfmx@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:If a brother receiving this crap chooses
to circulate it further rather than to delete it, please delete me from the
distribution list.Kenneth MarshallOn Feb 21, 2021, at 9:56 AM, akfarmilo2
<akfarmilo2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: So the pot was well stirred on this one. I
have a few comments, never one to be shy about these discussions. First, there
is a saying along the lines "Those who ignore (forget) the past are bound to
repeat it."There is a corollory that "Those who re-write (deny) the past are
already repeating it" Humanity--all of us-- have ancestors that did things that
are today considered horrible. Some were crimes at the time and some were
considered "normal" or rationalized by the views of one group or another.
Nothing is different today....we are still doing it. Examples: we've worked
hard so..., We're handicapped so...., We're University graduates so... So
does that mean we should have advantages others cannot have, restrict others
for our benefit, are somehow better than others or convert, ignore, suppress,
even get rid of some other group? Horrible things occurred in the past. No
doubt for Canada the residential school and treatment of indigenous people at
residential schools was an arrogant and insensitive decision that hurt a lot of
people. Some survivors are still hurting or just recovering two generations
later. Are we responsible for our ancestors' actions?I think not, but there
are things we can do to help those who are still hurting from the way they were
treated. Most importantly, we should not repeat the same mistakes. Obviously
this means no more residential schools but also means we do not presume to know
how to "fix" the residual problems. Iny view, there has to be an indigenous
resolution, developed, driven and delivered by the indigenous commumities
themselves. We have to respect indigenous cultures and ways or we are
repeating the same behavior as in the past. Other cultures do not know what is
best for them, but rather support if needed. Lastly, we should consider the
ongoing cycle caused by focusing on blame for past acts (which cannot be
changed) and losing focus on meaningful remediation which is at least somewhat
in our control. YITBOSJim Sent from my Samsung device over Bell's LTE
network.-------- Original message --------From: Norm Larkins
<normlarkins@xxxxxxxx> Date: 21-02-2021 10:46 (GMT-05:00) To:
dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: What is in the Budget for Seniors?
Thanks Bob I especially appreciate your 3rd paragraph. I spent several days
wondering if I should forward such an email which under normal circumstances I
would simply delete. I chose to forward it thinking it would generate some
discussion and inserted the caution at the beginning as I knew it would offend
some, but others perhaps less so. It certainly is not my opinion, but it also
certainly is the opinion of a significant number of my generation. I thought it
appropriate that others know that this is circulating. Being new to the
Communication Group maybe I don't appreciate what it is meant to be or to
accomplish. Norm Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 12:14 AMFrom: "Robert
Ramsay" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: "dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
<dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject: Re: What is in the Budget for Seniors?I
think both views presented so far have been very short-sighted. First of all, I
recognize that the residential schools were devastating to many indigenous
families. Some of them managed to get over that and become contributing members
of society. I know, because I employed some who were excellent employees; one
was among the best technologists I ever worked with. Others did not do so
well; the system totally failed them, and they became the problem ones. And we
are still not serving them well. Second, I resent being called part of any
group that is “unacceptable”. Every post to this site is the responsibility of
the individual posting, and does not reflect the attitudes of the group. We can
each have our own views on this or any other topic, but closing the door to a
view you don’t like is not going to change anyone’s opinion. We have come from
many backgrounds, some much more privileged than others but we in this group
have been given some very good opportunities, having lived a relatively
sheltered life and having chosen to obtain an above-average education. That was
not available to most indigenous people because of the way they were thought of
and treated by their “conquerors”. We have all made our beds, and now we lie
in them. What anyone has made of himself is his own issue. But we need to
consider the background when we relate to indigenous people. In general, they
lost far more than any of us. Bob Ramsay bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx On Feb 20,
2021, at 10:02 PM, richardmathias <mathias@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Our group has
just made the unacceptable list and will now be listed as junk mail May you go
to residential schools with their abuse and mortality. I had hoped that a
university education would allow a much more critical appraisal than this. Good
ByeRichard On Feb 20, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Norm Larkins <normlarkins@xxxxxxxx>
wrote: [CAUTION: Non-UBC Email] > *Trudeau, what do Seniors get in the new
Budget?*> These alleged truths will offend some and get support from others.>
After reading this, I want you to think about those Residential Schools - while
we small town and country kids were going to one-roomed schools that housed
eight grades with only one teacher and our parents were buying our books,
school supplies and clothing, the Indigenous native kids were in schools where
they got a more balanced education, free room and board, free school books,
free supplies (pencils, notebooks, etc.) and clothing. > We were also abused
and bullied by the heads of the schools. Oh yes, they are complaining that they
lost their language. Do they think that we, the immigrants from Eastern
Europe, were able to continue to speak our native tongue in schools? No! We
all learned to speak, read and write in English and were proud to have the
opportunity and contribute to the development of this great country.> So, Mr.
Trudeau, what do Seniors get in the new Budget?> Seniors outnumber Natives, so
maybe you will resolve Seniors grievances sooner if Seniors choose to block the
Trans-Canada Highway or the CN Rail lines?> When reporters ask the protesting
Seniors what they want, the Seniors can answer "The same as the Natives have
been getting for years." (which is free dental, free eye care, free
prescriptions, free post-secondary education, free transportation, no tax on
gas and other commodities, no income tax, no tax on vehicles, free housing and
many other things, all paid for by us, the tax payer.)> Seniors have paid
taxes all their lives! Natives do not pay taxes !!> And recently, now 600,000
Metis are considered Natives. Well Canada is also my home and Native land so I
should be considered a Native since some of us too, were born here.> Seniors
want the same as the Attawapiskat Band Members received from the Federal
Government in 2014, $34 million for just 1500 people (that's $22,666 each) TAX
FREE!> Instead, the Federal Government pays Seniors $7,200 in Social Security
(and they still have to pay tax on that) after working 50 plus years, and AFTER
they've paid their own way, their own kid's way, AND the Natives' Way.> And the
natives are demonstrating "Idle No More" and "Pipelines". Really??> It is time
for seniors to react! *We are just as entitled to protest as are the Natives.*>
*Something is very wrong with this picture.*>> Send this to every senior you
know.
