Hello All,
I just want to clarify that Ken Marshall has NOT left the group. As the
administrator it is my job to confirm intentions before making changes to the
automated email distribution system. Although Ken’s comments may not have been
clear, it was not his intention to drop out, only to indicate that he will
consider dropping out if we start circulating this type of venom on a regular
basis.
To Jim Farmilo, specifically - I suspect that you might have thought Ken’s
annoyance was directed at you, but that was never my impression. The way this
email group chat works, members typically Reply to previous emails and
sometimes, due to the timing of when they read their email, they may be
responding to a recent message with comments about an earlier message. Email
has some inherent limitations when used for group chats so misunderstanding can
arise if we are not careful. I am sure you have all experienced this type of
misunderstanding before.
I personally believe this has been a great forum for discussing difficult
subjects and I appreciate the broad range of life experiences and constructive
opinions that have been exchanged. I did not respond on this particular topic
because I recognised the racist style and just deleted the original posing
without finishing it. I get enough of that from a few compulsive forwarders in
my golf group, who seem to think that stuff is funny. Norm has already
apologised and indicated that his first impression was to NOT post the message
because he didn’t agree with it but thought it would provoke some discussion.
It certainly did provoke discussion.
I would be very disappointed to see this group revert to just circulating jokes
and videos from the Internet. I agree with the comments that arrived this
morning from both Dave Kerr and John Wellar, as well as the earlier
contributions from others. We are all mature seniors with good educations and a
wealth of experiences to bring to any discussion topic. I hope it continues.
To finish, I did contact Richard Mathias and he did request to be removed from
the group distribution list. Since I don’t remember him ever replying before,
he may have lost interest much earlier – we just don’t know and should not
assume we know his reasons. Richard did want to stay on the 2nd email list for
those who only want significant announcements or updates. In his response to my
inquiry Richard said, “As a note, I was a medical health officer for a first
nations group here in BC and quite familiar with the damage done”.
YITBOS
Bob T
From: dsp-ea-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dsp-ea-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of akfarmilo2
Sent: February 21, 2021 4:54 PM
To: dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: What is in the Budget for Seniors?
Wynn and other Brothers
I apologize to any of you that were upset by my post. I thought this was also
a forum for exchange of ideas in order to learn from others with different
knowledge and experience.
I will keep discussions off this venue from now on.
Jim Farmilo
Sent from my Samsung device over Bell's LTE network.
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From: Wynn Payne <wynn.payne@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:wynn.payne@xxxxxxxxx> >
Date: 21-02-2021 17:52 (GMT-05:00)
To: Delta Sig master list <dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >, "Bob Thomlinson."
<bthomlinson@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:bthomlinson@xxxxxxxxx> >
Subject: Re: What is in the Budget for Seniors?
I will take you off the general communication list as we have Rick Mathias
Wynn
On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 3:19 PM Ken Marshall <tokfmx@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tokfmx@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
If a brother receiving this crap chooses to circulate it further rather than to
delete it, please delete me from the distribution list.
Kenneth Marshall
On Feb 21, 2021, at 9:56 AM, akfarmilo2 <akfarmilo2@xxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:akfarmilo2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
So the pot was well stirred on this one.
I have a few comments, never one to be shy about these discussions.
First, there is a saying along the lines "Those who ignore (forget) the past
are bound to repeat it."
There is a corollory that "Those who re-write (deny) the past are already
repeating it"
Humanity--all of us-- have ancestors that did things that are today considered
horrible. Some were crimes at the time and some were considered "normal" or
rationalized by the views of one group or another. Nothing is different
today....we are still doing it. Examples: we've worked hard so..., We're
handicapped so...., We're University graduates so... So does that mean we
should have advantages others cannot have, restrict others for our benefit, are
somehow better than others or convert, ignore, suppress, even get rid of some
other group?
Horrible things occurred in the past. No doubt for Canada the residential
school and treatment of indigenous people at residential schools was an
arrogant and insensitive decision that hurt a lot of people. Some survivors are
still hurting or just recovering two generations later.
Are we responsible for our ancestors' actions?
I think not, but there are things we can do to help those who are still hurting
from the way they were treated. Most importantly, we should not repeat the
same mistakes. Obviously this means no more residential schools but also means
we do not presume to know how to "fix" the residual problems. Iny view, there
has to be an indigenous resolution, developed, driven and delivered by the
indigenous commumities themselves. We have to respect indigenous cultures and
ways or we are repeating the same behavior as in the past. Other cultures do
not know what is best for them, but rather support if needed.
Lastly, we should consider the ongoing cycle caused by focusing on blame for
past acts (which cannot be changed) and losing focus on meaningful remediation
which is at least somewhat in our control.
YITBOS
Jim
Sent from my Samsung device over Bell's LTE network.
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From: Norm Larkins <normlarkins@xxxxxxxx <mailto:normlarkins@xxxxxxxx> >
Date: 21-02-2021 10:46 (GMT-05:00)
To: dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: What is in the Budget for Seniors?
Thanks Bob
I especially appreciate your 3rd paragraph. I spent several days wondering if
I should forward such an email which under normal circumstances I would simply
delete. I chose to forward it thinking it would generate some discussion and
inserted the caution at the beginning as I knew it would offend some, but
others perhaps less so. It certainly is not my opinion, but it also certainly
is the opinion of a significant number of my generation. I thought it
appropriate that others know that this is circulating. Being new to the
Communication Group maybe I don't appreciate what it is meant to be or to
accomplish.
Norm
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 12:14 AM
From: "Robert Ramsay" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
To: "dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> "
<dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
Subject: Re: What is in the Budget for Seniors?
I think both views presented so far have been very short-sighted. First of all,
I recognize that the residential schools were devastating to many indigenous
families. Some of them managed to get over that and become contributing members
of society. I know, because I employed some who were excellent employees; one
was among the best technologists I ever worked with.
Others did not do so well; the system totally failed them, and they became the
problem ones. And we are still not serving them well.
Second, I resent being called part of any group that is “unacceptable”. Every
post to this site is the responsibility of the individual posting, and does not
reflect the attitudes of the group. We can each have our own views on this or
any other topic, but closing the door to a view you don’t like is not going to
change anyone’s opinion.
We have come from many backgrounds, some much more privileged than others but
we in this group have been given some very good opportunities, having lived a
relatively sheltered life and having chosen to obtain an above-average
education. That was not available to most indigenous people because of the way
they were thought of and treated by their “conquerors”.
We have all made our beds, and now we lie in them. What anyone has made of
himself is his own issue. But we need to consider the background when we relate
to indigenous people. In general, they lost far more than any of us.
Bob Ramsay
bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Feb 20, 2021, at 10:02 PM, richardmathias <mathias@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:mathias@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Our group has just made the unacceptable list and will now be listed as junk
mail
May you go to residential schools with their abuse and mortality. I had hoped
that a university education would allow a much more critical appraisal than
this.
Good Bye
Richard
On Feb 20, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Norm Larkins <normlarkins@xxxxxxxx
<mailto:normlarkins@xxxxxxxx> > wrote:
[CAUTION: Non-UBC Email]
*Trudeau, what do Seniors get in the new Budget?*
These alleged truths will offend some and get support from others.
After reading this, I want you to think about those Residential Schools -
while we small town and country kids were going to one-roomed schools that
housed eight grades with only one teacher and our parents were buying our
books, school supplies and clothing, the Indigenous native kids were in
schools where they got a more balanced education, free room and board, free
school books, free supplies (pencils, notebooks, etc.) and clothing.
We were also abused and bullied by the heads of the schools. Oh yes, they are
complaining that they lost their language. Do they think that we, the
immigrants from Eastern Europe, were able to continue to speak our native
tongue in schools? No! We all learned to speak, read and write in English
and were proud to have the opportunity and contribute to the development of
this great country.
So, Mr. Trudeau, what do Seniors get in the new Budget?
Seniors outnumber Natives, so maybe you will resolve Seniors grievances
sooner if Seniors choose to block the Trans-Canada Highway or the CN Rail
lines?
When reporters ask the protesting Seniors what they want, the Seniors can
answer "The same as the Natives have been getting for years." (which is free
dental, free eye care, free prescriptions, free post-secondary education,
free transportation, no tax on gas and other commodities, no income tax, no
tax on vehicles, free housing and many other things, all paid for by us, the
tax payer.)
Seniors have paid taxes all their lives! Natives do not pay taxes !!
And recently, now 600,000 Metis are considered Natives. Well Canada is also
my home and Native land so I should be considered a Native since some of us
too, were born here.
Seniors want the same as the Attawapiskat Band Members received from the
Federal Government in 2014, $34 million for just 1500 people (that's $22,666
each) TAX FREE!
Instead, the Federal Government pays Seniors $7,200 in Social Security (and
they still have to pay tax on that) after working 50 plus years, and AFTER
they've paid their own way, their own kid's way, AND the Natives' Way.
And the natives are demonstrating "Idle No More" and "Pipelines". Really??
It is time for seniors to react! *We are just as entitled to protest as are
the Natives.*
*Something is very wrong with this picture.*
Send this to every senior you know.
