Hi Bob
Thanks for the information. It's helpful in understanding the situation.
Wynn
On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 5:07 PM Bob Thomlinson <bthomlinson@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Comparing counts of coal plants is interesting but it focuses on coal -
and coal is not the problem. CO2 is the problem. Same goes for the
protest group “Just Stop Oil” who are defacing art works and gluing
themselves to walls. Oil is not the problem. CO2 is the problem.
If you look, I believe you will find that all of the new coal plants are
being built with CO2 scrubbers using capture and sequestration
technology. This technology is also being retrofitted on older plants too.
The most recent refinery built in Canada, the Sturgeon Refinery at
Redwater, Alberta captures 100% of the CO2, pipes it to the area around
Acme and injects it into depleted oil reservoirs in stable geological
formations with tight seals. As a side benefit the CO2 adds pressure to
the reservoir and allows additional oil to be recovered that was not
economically or technically possible before.
See Northwest Refining: http://www.nwrefining.com/
Here are a few references on coal scrubbing technology showing progress
over the past 12 years. What I wonder is why none of this ever turns up in
our treasured newspapers and TV News “stories”. Probably isn’t sensational
enough.
2010 – World Energy Conference, Montreal - *TECHNOLOGY OPTIONS FOR CLEAN
COAL POWER GENERATION WITH CO2 CAPTURE*:
https://www.osti.gov/etdeweb/servlets/purl/21397640
2013 – MIT - *MIT Creates ‘Plug-and-Play’ CO2 Scrubber for Existing
Power Plants*:
https://www.environmentalleader.com/2013/06/mit-creates-plug-and-play-co2-scrubber-for-existing-power-plants/
2019 – Science Daily - *Carbon-capture technology scrubs CO2 from power
plants like scuba-diving gear*
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190131113834.htm
2022 – National Institute of Standards & Technology (NIST - part of the US
Department of Commerce) - *This Simple Material Could Scrub Carbon
Dioxide from Power Plant Smokestacks*
https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2022/11/simple-material-could-scrub-carbon-dioxide-power-plant-smokestacks
Coal and natural gas are becoming cleaner and will still be viable for a
long time to produce clean electrical energy. There are scrubbers in
development for diesel generators and for commercial shipping that burns
Bunker-C fuel. Scrubbers also appear viable for long haul trucking because
the trucks (called “Tractors”) can carry the weight of the compressors and
containment tanks and the cost is small potatoes when the Tractor unit
alone can cost upwards of $300K. Of course there needs to be infrastructure
to offload and dispose of the CO2 but that is expected to be a profitable
service addition and economically viable to add to shipping ports and to
truck stops. The bigger problems remain personal automobiles (where
scrubber cost is prohibitive) and aircraft (where any added weight is a
challenge).
Despite some of the pessimism on this discussion group, I am watching
these developments and am optimistic that my grandchildren will have a
world to inherit and that it won’t be a wasteland. Perhaps many of the
bright young people who got laid off this month from tech companies will
find more meaningful employment solving some of these problems. I can’t see
that spending their time producing new and exotic ways to get me to click
on advertising has challenged their intellects or has contributed much to
society.
Cheers,
Bob T
*From:* dsp-ea-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
dsp-ea-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On Behalf Of *
dsp.ea.large.messages@xxxxxxxxx
*Sent:* November 14, 2022 10:50 AM
*To:* DSP-EA-General@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* FW: Canadian delusions.
*From:* Wynn Payne <wynn.payne@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* November 14, 2022 10:48 AM
*To:* DSP.EA.Large.Messages@xxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Fwd: Canadian delusions.
Fanning the carbon tax discussion.
Wynn
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*Subject:* *Fwd: Canadian delusions.*
Love it! Liberal logic at its best with chief Turdeau running the show.
Next we need to shut down oil altogether and go all electric.
World Wide Coal Plants - Oh Canada
OH COME ON NOW, DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE CARBON TAX?
Hmmm - saving the planet - here we go! Here's a small sample of how many
coal plants there are in the world today.
The EU has 468 plants, building 27 more for a total of 495.
Turkey has 56 plants, building 93 more for a total of 149.
South Africa has 79, building 24 more for a total of 103.
India has 589, building 446 more for a total of 1036.
Philippines has 19, building 60 more for a total of 79.
South Korea has 58, building 26 more for a total of 84.
Japan has 90, building 45 more for a total of 135.
AND CHINA has 2363, building 1171 more for a total of 3534.
We are in luck!! Here come our CANADIAN politicians who are going to shut
down our 15 remaining plants and save the planet!
That makes a total of 5615 worldwide at least, and Canada will shut down
15 to save the world. What the hell are we smoking? Go read the ‘Subject’
again.
With regards
Bob & Elaine
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