If you wait until things are getting out of control and then release the tins, he's learning that if he *completely* freaks out the scary thing goes away. You should *never* release the pressure (in this case the noise of the tin cans) at ANY time during misbehaviour. Wait for some good behaviour (even a second of it) before releasing the pressure. The cans are a great idea but something that I would do while walking Dan on halter. Then harness up and ground drive with the tin cans before heading out of the corral. That way if he does spook I can maintain some control until he settles down....then stop the noise. Once out of the corral I would ground drive Dan and have someone else start dragging the cans waaaay behind us. Watching Dan's body language I can slowly have the other person move closer and closer as Dan becomes accustomed to the noise. If I think he's starting to get nervous about it I can have the helper drop back with the noise to soften it, but still have them keep doing it rather than stop completely. Once Dan's ok with it we can stop and give him a break or move it up again depending on how I think he's mentally handling the situation. Cindy -------------- From: "Patti Atkinson" <patti.atkinson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: ground driving Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:46:12 +0100 I get your point. But I think the idea was that if things started to 'get a bit out of control' rather than at the first spook! _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````