I would like to respond to your post Hardy. Sorry for the delay as I was out of town up until Thanksgiving Day and am finally recovered enough to make a reply. I appreciate your concern and see that I omitted some information that would have clarified a few things. Both of my ponies were trained by a professional pairs driver/trainer. I have taken lessons several times a week for more than a year. I drive 220 miles to take these lessons. (the last 10 weeks,I have been in school and have only been out to drive every other week at best) I would have preferred to drive with my trainer, but as he lives 110 miles away, and has insisted that I'm doing a great job on my own,.....etc......I did not feel it was unreasonable to drive them. The mare had been doing very well for almost a year since her last bolt and has been more relaxed in the harness. The gelding who had been very steady in the past bolted this time because he was in unfamiliar territory, this was his first drive that was not the usual country roads out where the trainer lives. Having said that I don't intend to remove the blame from myself. I should have foregone driving the ponies because I do not have a qualified person to help me with them. Last year, I did a lot of driving of the pair myself in that same area (with a friend along - not a horseperson) however, my pair consisted of my 24 year old mare and her daughter. This did a lot to help the younger mare. I do treat my ponies with respect and never made the reference in my first post that they were "just" ponies. I will take the ponies to the trainer for the next drives, as my confidence has suffered and I worry about the setback this may have been for the ponies. It seems as though there are two schools of thought about starting pairs. One method seems to be that you ground drive them individually, then in a pair and start them that way. The other method seems to be that you get each horse going dependably as a single, and then put them in a pair. My trainer advises me to continue driving the pair. He is willing to help me out again as long as I can make the journey out there this winter. I wonder whether the ponies would benefit from some individual work. So, which of the following would be your choice for what to do to give them some confidence? (or perhaps none of them) a. ground drive them individually extensively, and in new situations, making sure they are light and responsive. or b. have the trainer take them individually to drive them single for a while. or c. continue driving them as a pair in familiar territory. d. take turns hitching the mare and the gelding to the old mare for a while. BTW, I use a mullen mouth glory bit with a curb strap for the ponies. They seem comfortable in it, although the mare can get strong with it (for example when heading home). They do have periods of time while in harness when they are relaxed, tails loose and heads lowered. I have been encouraging them (especially the mare as she likes to hurry and do all the pulling) to relax as much as possible. I did enjoy meeting you at the Indiana CDE in 2001. I had the chestnut pair of 12 hand Sec. A welsh ponies. I value your advice and the helpful responses of the others on this list. I do make an effort to learn the proper way to do things, and admit to making some stupid mistakes. I hope that my ponies will be able to go on from this. I do love driving a pair. Olive in Illinois _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````