Thank you Tamera for your post. We know one of those wonderful ole' souls who still farms with his teams of draft mules, then he hauls them to shows, parades and fairs. They learned their art in the fields in work mode. He is in his late 70's and is highly sought after as an animal and people trainer. He does not know or care about what a lot of folks are looking for these days in competition teams. I can tell you when you get one back from him that he has trained, that animal knows his/her commands and are parade safe. I personally wish there were more of these guys around, sadly they are fading away. Thank you again! Kristi (Id) who is putting her first team of mammoth driving donkeys together being trained by this farmer gentleman Back to lurking where I am soaking in lots of great info! I have felt for many years that there is an incredible snobbery (for lack of a better word) toward the folks and horses that were trained as "working" animals...never have I heard "farmer" used in such second class...or lower...ways as when it comes to _some_ modern drivers of one horse meadowbrooks.... it's like I wish I could grab them all up and say "you know...there _was_ driving before Heike Beans book on the matter" <g> I have seen people worry so much about bend and extension and being "on the bit" that they forget things like "whoa" "come back"... conditioning up to a certain job and standing quietly for what could be an hour.... the old timers may not have had the silly hats and fancy carriages but they did know horses as animals they worked every day...and finding one to visit with could be the best part of ones driving career Tamara in TN _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.shtml `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````