This "finding help" thread is fascinating. I am one of the help-less out there with many ponies and no money. I realize when we start driving multiples again we will really need some help (see keeping it multiple related). My definition of good help would be someone who did what I wanted even if they thought they knew better. Everyone does things differently and it takes a special person to do something in a way that is against what they would do with their own horses. Obviously I don't mean anyone should do anything they felt was dangerous, however the little differences in horse handling and care should be respected by employees and not argued. I have a friend who's help will stand there and argue with her about the way something should get done. I'm usually too lenient with "help". I have trouble pushing folks to work. I find it easier to do it myself than to keep asking for it to be done over. I have had kids come out here with the idea of trading time with horses for work. It NEVER works out. They all say they can ride and of course they cannot. It would take me a million times as longer to teach them to ride as it would to clean out my entire barn myself. They never clean stalls correctly and I end up stripping stalls by the end of the week. They never want to go through a lesson program, they mostly want me to wave a magic wand that will allow them to gallop down a trail into the sunset. They rarely want to do carriage stuff. I don't have beginner safe equines out here anyhow and sure don't have the extra time to make them that way. In the end it's a bigger pain in the tail than it's worth. I will say, firing those girls Laura has coming out would be a piece of cake. In fact, I would rather enjoy it. I will NEVER stand for kids that defy me. My own must obey the first time and so must those that belong to others if they are on my property. I have a teenager (I can't believe it, but I do) and she would 1)Never smoke, she's far too bright 2) Never defy me, again she's far too bright <LOL> 3)NEVER be disrespectful to an adult who's care she was in. I would kick her butt into next week if she was ever disrespectful to an adult she was "working" for. Any kid that took my ponies out and did what they pleased rather than what was allowed would really regret it. In fact, it would probably be quite some time before the bodies were ever found <VBG> If I had someone who just wanted to help on my carriage with NO other work I would do cartwheels!!! Just to find someone that would come out three times a week and run a brush over some of my stock would be simply devine. If they did any actual barn work, well that would be better than ......... CHOCOLATE!!! I much prefer guests to help. You can simply stop inviting a bad guest out, help you have to fire and you almost ALWAYS end up firing them. Or in our case, handing them $1000 in cash, a bus ticket, directions where to find hotels and apartments and how to conduct normal life, taking their dog away to keep both the dog and the human from becoming homeless and then sending them away wheeping. Long story, but let's just say I endured 5 mos of live in help that was a nightmare and in the end I still felt awful turning the old man out onto the street. NEVER AGAIN! I've got an idea, Gail should go on a tour of the USA. She could be everyone's guest for a couple of weeks at a time. Free food and room in exchange for help with carriage driving and light barn work. Gail, can ya handle a feed scoop?? Lead in a horse or 2,3,4,5?? If so, you can make a reservation here. I won't even make you muck. Just pack light, a lot of suit cases make me nervous <LOL> Jodi in Morriston FL _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````